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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:43 am    Post subject: Don't know what to do Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have a 1956 John Deere 70 model lp tractor. I use it to do hay my baler is a Heston 5530 round baler. The problem is the baler has 2 hydrolic lines once hooked up to tractor to close and lock baler door then u bale once done to open door back must get down and switch lines to drop bale then close door and switch lines again to lock back down. If you down lock door down baler gets jammed. Can someone please help.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Don't know what to do Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I assume it has two sets of lines unless they are one-way cylinders. The most elegant solution is to either purchase the optional dual hydraulic valve and replace your single which probably isn't going to be cheap. Also could go with a electric solenoid hydraulic valve splitter such as Fasse which isn't cheap either. Cheapest solution would be to install several ball valves and manually shunt the flow to one of the cylinders at a time. Just route the hoses so you could operate them from the seat. It is possible to buy components from Surplus Supply or some other discount outlet and make your own "Fasse splitter" much cheaper. Just need to properly match components and build it yourself. A complete Fasse kit can be purchased which has everything to make the installation "hassle free" You just pay more for the convience.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Don't know what to do Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I ran my first round baler back in 79 with a 730 Diesel. The 70 should be plumbed about the same way. This worked for me as per dealer mechanic instructions at the time.
There's two steel hydraulic lines on the flywheel side of the tractor going from the pump to the powertrol. The small one is the high pressure line. I took that line off,cut a short length of it out with a pipe cutter. I threaded both ends with a half inch pipe die. I screwed a half inch pipe coupler on each pipe,then brazed them on because the pipe wall is so thin that you won't have a lot of material left there after you thread it. I hooked a half inch hydraulic hose to each end,ran it in to and out of a single spool two way open center valve with the oil flowing in the direction that it flows from the pump to the powertrol. I made a nice bracket to bolt it to the left side of the cast cowl above the left headlight.
Then I ran a pair of hoses off the valve to the back of the tractor with a pair of couplers in a breakaway clamp. I ran the tailgate of the baler off that valve and the twine arm off the regular tractor remote valve. Worked like a dream. The oil flows through that steel line all the time anyway and doesn't care if it's going through an open center valve along the way.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Don't know what to do Reply to specific post Reply with quote


You can get a hydraulic diverter valve, hand operated. I used one once for a baler with hydraulic tie. Don't remember the brand name or how much it cost, but it wasn't expensive.

The outlet on the tractor was plumbed to the diverter valve and regular Pioneer connectors were plumbed to it. The two hose sets from the baler were attached to the outlets. In your case, as I understand the problem, you would use the tractor control lever to raise to gate, then switch the diverter to the other set of lines to lock the gate, again using the tractor control lever.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Don't know what to do Reply to specific post Reply with quote

it's been close to 40 years sense i one,but didn't a 70 have dual action hydraulics, if so and the baler has only 2 hyd lines something is wrong with the remote valve,it's working as a single action,if your baler has 4 hyd lines then you need a diverter valve as mentioned earlier or and add on second remote
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Don't know what to do Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Are you saying the baler uses a total of _2_ hyd lines, and your tractor just has one single line? (The tractor would be single-acting?)

Or are you saying the baler uses 2 different sets of lines (a total of 4 individual hydraulic lines) and your tractor just has one set? The tractor would be doulbe-acting?)

Your question is too difficult to answer proerly without getting this described right.

If your tractor is double-acting (2 lines to make ne set of hydraulic lines) then for $500 less if you are good at piecing stuff together, you can do a diverter deal that will allow you to use one set or the other set. Easy to use this deal on different tractors, doesn't change much of anything on your tractor, just add an electric button to switch between ports. It just plugs into the tractor ports, not much fuss.

If your tractor is single-acting and the baler needs a single set of double-acting ports, then you would need to add a different hyd valve (the handle you pull) to make the oil push both directions instead of just one. Probably cost about the same, and someone who knows JD will be better at telling you where you'd need to plumb this into your tractor - a tad bit more involved to work this into the lines.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Don't know what to do Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Google hydraulic diverter valve. You can find single units for $79, doubles for $139. Northern Tool has them, as well as any hyd shop. Mount it on your tractor where you can reach it. IIRC some are rope controlled.
 
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