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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:35 pm    Post subject: front loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

thinking about adding front end loader on my 48N,any ideas or sugestions?live in Brownsville WA (poulsbo)
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:55 pm    Post subject: Re: front loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I've got 3 8N's; one trailer queen & 2 workers. One of the workers is a 1951 w/ a Freeman loader. If I could only own one N, it would not have a loader on it. The N doesn't have PS, so a loader makes it very difficult to steer. (my wife can't drive it) Stopping it on a down slope w/ a full bucket is a real joy as well. Maneuvering around trees, etc, w/ that bucket out there isn't fun either. Some require you to chain the lift arms down to operate the loader. And, try a simple 5 minute repair job (points replacement) w/ some loaders attached & you will not be happy. Worst of all, the N wasn't designed to carry the weight of the loader & the load, so be prepared for split radius rods & worn out front end parts.

As an alternative, a rear scoop bucket on an N works very well.

As to ease of detachment.....it's not going to happen. The old loaders weren't meant to come off & on in 5 minutes like the new ones.

I built a frame to hold the lift cylinders, arms & bucket for my loader. I drive in & 20 - 30 minutes later & a lot of lost fluid, it's off.

There were at least 5 (& probably more) loaders built for N's; Wagner, Freeman, Dearborn, Davis & Sauder come to mind. Each has certain advantages over the other, (e.g., the Sauder does detach quicker) but all share the common disadvantages I mentioned above.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:25 pm    Post subject: Re: front loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Bruce has pretty much described what its like to drive one with a loader.
A real pain.
Power steering kits are available, but the cost is as much as the tractor.
If you only need a loader once in a while, some have suggested renting one.
I have a loader on a 9N, and one on a Jubilee.
I retrofitted power steering on the Jube, and so far it has worked well.
I'm watching very carefully to make sure I don't break anything.
Aside from that, if you do put one on use one with a stinger pump on the front.
That way you don't have to chain the 3 pt down and you can use it independently.
A good use for the 3 pt then would be to hold counter weight.
Hanging weight off the 3 pt helps balance the tractor out so you don't have as
much weight on the front axle.
That helps some with steering and to some extent, breakage of the front end.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:47 pm    Post subject: Re: front loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

thanks for the info.i am retired now and was thinking it would be handy and take a load off my old body.i have worked an operated construction machinery my whole life,i can'tseem to let go.i overhauled my n and it runs good,just looking to keep busy and still have fun. thank you for your input,richard..
 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: front loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

As Bruce says,an N makes a poor loader tractor. A better option for an N is a rear scoop. Some of them are reversible although this one is not.

 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:13 am    Post subject: Re: front loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I use a 3 point dirt scoop with my MG 35. Its easy to use, no weight on the front, and you can see everything your doing. If i only had a neck of an owl.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:31 am    Post subject: Re: front loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

This is my late 1950 8N ford with loader and Scout back hoe. Poor thing only gets used once in a blue moon but sure is handy when you need to dig a hole

 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: front loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Read my post on 10/27 seat time and acking arms that pretty much say's it all. that said it is still the best wheel barrow I ever had I use it all year round haulin wood from the wood pile to the garage, plowing snow, lifting logs, loading and unloading heavy objects in and out of the pickup best part is my wife loves it to.




 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: front loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have a Suader Loader on one of my 8Ns. It is easy off and on but may only be available in east PA and surrounding area. I don't think they were widely sold. It makes it hard to steer but I can do a lot of work that would be impossible without it. I have a second tractor to mow and a third to use for plowing, pole booming and other stuff. A loader makes an 8N tractor very limited in other uses.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:51 pm    Post subject: Re: front loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

what is that in front of radiator..is that a 21 scraper in background
 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:09 pm    Post subject: Re: front loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

In front of the radiator is a cement counter weight to off set the weight of the back hoe. The counter weight is around 500lbs. In the back ground is a 1967 Cat 950 articulating loader and if comes in around 40,000lbs and has a 2.5 yard bucket on it
 
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