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1566 won't start, even with ether

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:55 pm    Post subject: 1566 won't start, even with ether Reply to specific post Reply with quote

it was sitting for about five years, engine was stuck, got it free'd up. getting fuel to the injectors but it wont fire even with a little ether. slight smoke not all that much though.

At a loss, thinkig its a compression issue, valves sticking or broken rings. i just dont know any more. any new ideas would be greatly apprieciated.
thanks, jason
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:51 am    Post subject: Re: 1566 won't start, even with ether Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If it won"t run on that, then things are pretty bad, you have no compression, or no air getting in to the motor. Check the air intake and exhaust are free from obstruction, if o.k. then you have a compression problem, valves could be stuck if the engine has stood, or piston/bore prblems.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:35 am    Post subject: Re: 1566 won't start, even with ether Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Can you hear one or more cylinders being weak as the engine turns over? As in 1 or 2 cylinders not coming up to correct pressure? I'd be sure the fuel is good & is getting to the pump. Check for ice blockage in the fuel lines if you are below freezing. Are the filters clean & letting fuel through? Is the return line from the pump open/ no blockage?
Have you had the pump off--did it get put back in correct time??
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:56 am    Post subject: Re: 1566 won't start, even with ether Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I guess it was running when they parked it all we took off is the starter to be rebuilt, and the intake hoses and the stack.

We had the injectors out and put a couple squirts of oil in the cylinders so I'm ASSUMING, its not a ring problem.

But it still won't even fire on ether and we have fuel comming out to the injectors.
I'd think it would fire with no fuel at all if there was ether being used.

This is my nighbors tractor and I've never had to deal with a stuck engine. I didn't know if the valves could stick or not or if they'd hid the piston.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: 1566 won't start, even with ether Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It should fire with ether with no fuel at all or the fuel shut off shouldn't it?
If its valves sticking it must be a lot of them or I'd think it would try to run at least.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:34 am    Post subject: Re: 1566 won't start, even with ether Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Is it possible to pull start it.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:02 am    Post subject: Re: 1566 won't start, even with ether Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If it is a Hydo Statc trans, Don't pull it.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:09 am    Post subject: Re: 1566 won't start, even with ether Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Are you using the factory either injection?

Those tiny tubes plug up and you might not even be getting the either to the engine.

Allan
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: 1566 won't start, even with ether Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I bought one that sat 8 years,we put the ether to the air intake and it popped off.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re: 1566 won't start, even with ether Reply to specific post Reply with quote

No, we have the intake tube right off. Spraying ether right into the manifold.

Can you even pull start these? I think it has a hydraulic clutch.
I know I can't pull my 1086 but being my neighbors tractor I don't know as much about this one I'd assume its the same as mine.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:31 am    Post subject: Re: 1566 won't start, even with ether Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Okay,

Then, you've got engine troubles; more than likely low compression, since the engine was stuck. That is to say, the engine may now be free but perhaps all of the rings aren't.

If this were my tractor, I shoot a can of GM's Top Engine Cleaner in the intake while cranking it over. Slop it down real good and let it soak overnight to see if the thing loosens up enough to at least get it started.

Also, do you have good engine cranking speed? No, ya can't pull 'em to start.

Another thought; perhaps you're up against the original reason it was parked to start with?

Just thinkin' out loud here,

Allan
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:06 am    Post subject: Re: 1566 won't start, even with ether Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If it was stuck and you freed it up how did you free it up? If the valves are stuck then it might be possible that you bent some push rods. If a valve is stuck in its guide then something has to give.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:22 am    Post subject: Re: 1566 won't start, even with ether Reply to specific post Reply with quote

First thanks for all your time thinking about this thing, i really appreciate it.
We had penetrating oil down the injector holes to get it loosened up then cranked it over to blow it out, then squirted motor oil to lube and help with compression.
It cranks over good for about five seconds then slows way down, one week battery I'm guessing because we have it on a big battery charger , new starter. I guess it ran good when it was parked. They just used it for tillage and all the land was into hay.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:26 am    Post subject: Re: 1566 won't start, even with ether Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Jasondr wrote:
(quoted from post at 07:22:49 11/17/12) First thanks for all your time thinking about this thing, i really appreciate it.
We had penetrating oil down the injector holes to get it loosened up then cranked it over to blow it out, then squirted motor oil to lube and help with compression.
It cranks over good for about five seconds then slows way down, one week battery I'm guessing because we have it on a big battery charger , new starter. I guess it ran good when it was parked. They just used it for tillage and all the land was into hay.
I'm guessing you need to put some good batteries in it to get it to spin over better. I have a 4430 jd that if she doesn't get a good spin it'll never start even with either.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:38 am    Post subject: Re: 1566 won't start, even with ether Reply to specific post Reply with quote

We put some lube down the injector holes then dropped the pan and put a board on a bearing throw and jacked it up
 
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