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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:26 pm    Post subject: Another 12V Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

So I will be replacing the shotty wiring on my newest project. 8n front mount already converted, still has 6v coil. It has a resistor inline to the coil but I have no idea of the rating. How do I measure internal coil resistance? What is the "most common" resistor I'll need?

It doesn't have the original ballast so I will have to locate. I understand I may need anywhere from a 3.6-4.0 ohm resistor, but don't know where to start. In some of JMORs diagrams I notice he uses a terminal block instead of the ballast. Could I up the line resistor and forget the ballast??? Sorry, lots of q's. Thanks for all the help.

Jeff
 
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Another 12V Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Jeff........both the original 6-volt squarecan coil and the modern 12V-square can coil need the "infamous ballast resistor" (mounted on the backside of the dash panel under the ammeter) NO ARGUE!!! To use the original 6-volt square can coil on 12-volts, you also need a 12-to-6V converting resistor of 2.5-ohms and 50-watts. (these are electrical specifications) Most tractor parts stores do NOT sell the correct 2.5-ohm converting resistor. They try to sell you the 8NE10306 (YT claims it is 3-ohms, which is close) It will work but causes weaker sparkies. One of the reasons to convert to 12V is faster starting hotter sparkies and quicker spinning of the 6-volt starter motor. (NO, 12-volts does NOT hurt yer 6-volt starter motor) Remember to also change yer headlites to 12-volt bulbs. Yer distributor points and condenser are good for about 200-volts so no worry there. .......Dell, a 12-volt advocate that knows 8-ways to convert to 12-volts and they all work the first time
 
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Another 12V Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

JCinKY wrote:
(quoted from post at 22:26:25 11/19/12) So I will be replacing the shotty wiring on my newest project. 8n front mount already converted, still has 6v coil. It has a resistor inline to the coil but I have no idea of the rating. How do I measure internal coil resistance? What is the "most common" resistor I'll need?

It doesn't have the original ballast so I will have to locate. I understand I may need anywhere from a 3.6-4.0 ohm resistor, but don't know where to start. In some of JMORs diagrams I notice he uses a terminal block instead of the ballast. Could I up the line resistor and forget the ballast??? Sorry, lots of q's. Thanks for all the help.

Jeff
If you don't know the coil's primary resistance, then how do you know that it is a 6v coil? 6 & 12 coils look the same.
In the end, what you really need is a coil plus resistor that yields about 4 amperes of steady state coil current. It will average much less running, but no one cares.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:53 am    Post subject: Re: Another 12V Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

In my opinion the best thing to do when converting a front mount to 12 volts is to make the modifications to use a real 12 volt oil filled no resister needed round can coil. The second best is to use the original ballast resister with a 12 volt square can front mounted coil.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:03 am    Post subject: Re: Another 12V Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I think I will use what I have first and see what happens. Not a big deal to put in a 12v coil if all else fails.

JMOR, I'm 51% sure its a 6v coil since it has a resistor inline, but I can't tell the rating and I will be replacing the entire harness so I know it is correct. I will check coil resistance this weekend and find the appropriate additional resistor.

Dell, I will be locating the original ballast resistor and wiring it per JMOR's diagrams.

Thanks for all the help. I'll update you guys this weekend when shes wired up.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:01 am    Post subject: Re: Another 12V Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

either get a 2.5 ohm coil ( 12v square type ).. and an oem ressitor.. os as Jmor said. expirement with ressitro values till you eventually nail it.
 
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