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Jimbo's 8n Regular
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:20 am Post subject: fuel problem |
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Can anyone figure this out? I always turn the fuel off at the sediment bowl after use on my 50 8n. The problem is when I turn the gas on there is no fuel flow to the inline fuel filter right before the carburator. If I take the fuel line off of the filter, gas flows perfect, then I"ll hook it back up and the tractor will have no problem getting fuel as long as its running. Then when I shut it down, the fuel flow to the filter stops and I have to go thru the same process again to start it. I tried removing the gas cap thinking it might be a vacume problem but that didnt work either. Thanks to all. |
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wishihadagreenthumb New User
Joined: 11 Mar 2011 Posts: 12
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:08 am Post subject: Re: fuel problem |
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Years ago I thought I would be smart and ad a inline fuel filter to my 2n. I had the same problem and scratched my head for days. I ask the guys on this site and the other one the same thing you are asking. They all told me to get ride of that inline filter and let the screen in the sediment bowl and the screen in the elbow at the carb. do their jobs, and keep them clean. Well me being the hard head I am I thought the problem is in the inline filter so I replace it several times and still the problem was there. I stopped by a Ford tractor mans shop one day and told him the problem, he walked over to the parts hanging on the wall pulled down a fuel line, picked up a wrench, walked over to my 2n, took off the fuel line with the filter, checked the fuel screens, put on the fuel line he had, fired the tractor up and said. If you ever put another inline filter on this N I am going to crown you with this here wrench. I have never had another problem with fuel flow. Those screens work just fine. |
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Jimbo's 8n Regular
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:47 am Post subject: Re: fuel problem |
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Thanks. I will go back to just using a fuel line. Hopefully this site sells. them. I dont think TSC has them. |
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Royse Tractor Expert
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3063 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:03 am Post subject: Re: fuel problem |
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| Jimbo's 8n wrote: | | (quoted from post at 08:47:08 11/29/12)Hopefully this site sells. them. I dont think TSC has them. |
Steel brake line works just fine. |
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souNdguy Tractor Guru
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:25 am Post subject: Re: fuel problem |
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yes, this site has them:
For models 9N, 2N, 8N, (1939-1952).This fuel line is from sediment bowl to carburetor. Consists of: 14 inch steel tubing with two 14 inch inverted flair fittings installed. (Part No: 9N9282A) $33.06
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Jimbo's 8n Regular
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:31 am Post subject: Re: fuel problem |
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Thank you! |
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Frankmn Regular
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:38 am Post subject: Re: fuel problem |
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I just made one out of automotive brake line |
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souNdguy Tractor Guru
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:49 am Post subject: Re: fuel problem |
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have a good one! |
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old Tractor Guru
Joined: 12 Mar 2000 Posts: 50454 Location: Lake of the Ozarks area of MO
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:42 am Post subject: Re: fuel problem |
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Brake line works just fine and will cost you less then half the price of a factory type line your call. I always use brake line any more and if to long I just put a loop in it so as to dampen vibration |
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kylemorley Regular
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:28 am Post subject: Re: fuel problem |
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Good story, but I don't understand how, in a simple, gravity fed system like the 8n an extra inline filter could be a problem (assuming, of course, it was not left on long enough to clog). |
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Caryc Long Time User
Joined: 03 Mar 2010 Posts: 1167 Location: Southern Cal.
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:53 am Post subject: Re: fuel problem |
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| kylemorley wrote: | | (quoted from post at 09:28:02 11/29/12) Good story, but I don't understand how, in a simple, gravity fed system like the 8n an extra inline filter could be a problem (assuming, of course, it was not left on long enough to clog). |
Because those inline filters are made for systems using a fuel pump that pushes the gas through the filters. My 8N has been running fine for 60+ years just the way Henry designed it. |
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JMOR Tractor Guru
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:06 am Post subject: Re: fuel problem |
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| Jimbo's 8n wrote: | | (quoted from post at 07:20:19 11/29/12) Can anyone figure this out? I always turn the fuel off at the sediment bowl after use on my 50 8n. The problem is when I turn the gas on there is no fuel flow to the inline fuel filter right before the carburator. If I take the fuel line off of the filter, gas flows perfect, then I"ll hook it back up and the tractor will have no problem getting fuel as long as its running. Then when I shut it down, the fuel flow to the filter stops and I have to go thru the same process again to start it. I tried removing the gas cap thinking it might be a vacume problem but that didnt work either. Thanks to all. | You seem concerned with whether or not you "see" fuel flow rather than whether or not the tractor will start?? If it actually will not start before you disconnect & re-connect the fuel line, then maybe you have a legitimate concern. However, it is much more likely a stuck needle valve than the inline filter, which is always the whipping boy" in these forums. Hundreds of thousands of gravity feed lawn mowers & other small engine machines use exactly that, inline filter & gravity feed without any problem. I have lawn mower, ATC, log splitter, and air compressor with those same little plastic filters and some have not been changed in over a decade and I guarantee that they are NOT a problem.
But it make for conversation. A proposed problem area when one can't pin point a real problem. Change it or Take it out ........then start looking for the real problem when that doesn't fix it.  |
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souNdguy Tractor Guru
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:47 am Post subject: Re: fuel problem |
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i vote for finding the problem and fixing it, before removing or adding anything.. :)
the main issue i see with small gas filters is that they are so fine, finer than a screen.. that small 'fines' seem to get them. we have dust here.. and it finds it's way into anything. orange dust. makes it into the vented gas tanks and cans. have seen it in filters.. that and the dad gum water than makes gummy mess.
at least with the metal screens and sediment bowls, the stuff just sinks. I prefer those to the paper pleated filters... i imagine in arid environments, the water is no concern... here in florida it is though.. I have half a thoughttha that may be what guns up the needle valves.. emulsified water and fuel by products after airiated alcohol and volatiles and propane evap out..  |
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pconnie Regular
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: fuel problem |
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just got another 8n..guy had inserted filter next to exhaust manifold...took your word fuel line needs to be 14"..went to town 30mi trip..got line ..bent the first curve ..found the line just got to edge of hood..what tractor does the 14" line fit..bout 11" short...thanks for the good advice |
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souNdguy Tractor Guru
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: fuel problem |
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i usually make my own too.. but for a guy needing a one time use .. e probably don't have a bending tool.. and i figured the board could use the business..  |
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