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How to determine which steering gear (pic)


 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:53 pm    Post subject: How to determine which steering gear (pic) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Can anyone determine which steering gear I have by looking from the outside of the tool box ? I pulled the starter to check the adjustment on the box - but it has already been adjusted all it can - so I guess I'll pull the tank & tool box to see if the follower is worn flat . I have too much play in the steering wheel.

 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:35 pm    Post subject: Re: How to determine which steering gear (pic) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That is a Ross.

Which looks like this except yours is longer because my picture is from a B.






A Gemmer will look like this


 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:26 pm    Post subject: Re: How to determine which steering gear (pic) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks Dick - I guess my boy & I will tear it apart this coming Sat.Any more advice before I attempt this & what happens when I pull that end plate off ? What does the follower look like & will it come out easily ? I pulled the starter off today to get at the adjusting screw but it was screwed all the way in should I back it out some & try removing some of the shims where the jacket tube goes into the box ??
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:26 am    Post subject: Re: How to determine which steering gear (pic) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

At the link I have placed below you can see my repair of one. Click on the picture to advance to the next picture or (next) at the top.
Check here by clicking

 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:24 am    Post subject: Re: How to determine which steering gear (pic) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Is that short pin the follower ? Thanks for the pictures !!
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:02 am    Post subject: Re: How to determine which steering gear (pic) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That is what some have called it. It has other names with different people. Pawl is what I call them. They tell me you can buy the pawl at the John Deere parts counter. You have to drill out the old one.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: How to determine which steering gear (pic) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Oh gosh I bet that is very hard steel !!! Thats proably why the guy before me didn't fix it. Whats the prodecure for this - cut it off first ?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:34 pm    Post subject: Re: How to determine which steering gear (pic) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Not hard at all. I grind them off with an angle grinder, find the center and drill thru. I make my own pawl with 3/8 inch for a press fit and don't weld it in. Once it gets put back together it has no way of getting out even if it might be a tad loose with a slip fit.I do not know what the pin diameter of the ones you get at John Deere. I see over the years that most think it needs welded in. To each his own.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:12 am    Post subject: Re: How to determine which steering gear (pic) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks Dick - I hope this is my problem. How long do you think it will take to tear down & put back after I change the pawl ?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:52 pm    Post subject: Re: How to determine which steering gear (pic) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I swapped one out for a fellow at his place one time in a forenoon. I think it was about three hours. I had all my tools that I would need on the truck. Not my first dance though.
I also swapped out his tie rod in that time.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:31 pm    Post subject: Re: How to determine which steering gear (pic) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks Dick- If the pawl isn't flat on both sides where would I look for another problem ? The tie rods have some play but it doesn't seem to be excessive. I called the JD place today but they wern't sure what I was needing. They had heard of a pawl but wasn't sure of what it was . I told them I would bring a pic of it - maybe they can figure it out !!
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:04 am    Post subject: Re: How to determine which steering gear (pic) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Dick, do you know where I can get a part # for the pawl in that Ross gear box ? Went to the local JD dealer but they had know info without a part # to stsrt with !
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:26 am    Post subject: Re: How to determine which steering gear (pic) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Dick I found the part # for the follower or pawl for the ross steering box .
 
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