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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:33 pm    Post subject: 830 industrial serial number Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Does any one on here have knowledge of the Green Painted 830 thats listed on e/bay right now.
Is it possibly the first one built?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:47 pm    Post subject: Re: 830 industrial serial number Reply to specific post Reply with quote


i looked at it the number is 830208 or 209 which should make it the 208th one or 209 what ever. I maybe full of bull but I owned 730 number 730017 and it was the 17th one built
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: 830 industrial serial number Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I think you mean the first industrial?

I don't think anyone has a list of those, but way back when, when they sold off Louis Toavs Estate, he had an 830 described as: 830 Industrial, 830197, 1959

That serial is one digit short, but I interpreted it as 8300197, which would be lower than the Ebay tractor.

One listing is here:
http://www.internetauctionfind.com/Auctioneer/nixon/Auction/1268768667/View_Map
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:09 pm    Post subject: Re: 830 industrial serial number Reply to specific post Reply with quote

i have a close friend who has an 830 industrial that was painted green from the factory. i hear there were 2 built ever. his is totally restored.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:25 am    Post subject: Re: 830 industrial serial number Reply to specific post Reply with quote

THE FIRST 830 was 8300000 it was shipped to Kendall Kansas and was bought out there by MARTHA Stoechl from Toledo iowa who had it restored and and exhibited many times at the J D expos. It was later sold to WALTER KELLER who has it in his collection .... the 830 seriers started out with that serial number.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:33 am    Post subject: Re: 830 industrial serial number Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Regarding the 830 industrials maybe Weird Deere knows or someone else how many of the first industrials came out of factory without the I designation before they started tagging them that way we i believe maybe twelve we found one in texas many years ago it was also painted green.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: 830 industrial serial number Reply to specific post Reply with quote

is there anyway to find out more about the restored green one. Pics phone number or serial number? and does anyone know where Louis Taes tractor went?? Would like to know if the 197 is the correct S#
earliest known would be a neat extra for a green tractor.

I remember seeing Marthas's tractor on her farm about 30 years ago.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:32 am    Post subject: Re: 830 industrial serial number Reply to specific post Reply with quote

yes sir I did mean first industrial built or found?
 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: 830 industrial serial number Reply to specific post Reply with quote

in my own opinion it may never be known what the first serial number of a 830 with industrial OPTIONs is. john deere always tested tractors by changing and EXPERIMENTING with them right off the asembly line. Unless you go to the tractor registry and spend endless hours like JR Hobbs looking over and compairing thousands of tractors you are looking for a needle in a hay stack. the only honest thing they have said about the 830 on ebay is that it was shipped to california brand new, Sanfrancisco branch to be exact,destination Napa CA. the first real production 830I is 8301400, the second 8301523 which is in my collection. there was 5 sent to ontario canada. If it was recorded in the registry that its a 830I and its color green and its options then its rare. But you need documentation. I would rather own a production 830I documented than one that could have been tampered with and told that they are pretty sure or possibly its rare. I hope someone doesnt get burnt on this one. A serial number search may come up disapointing on 8300208 happy bidding and good luck
 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:26 pm    Post subject: Re: 830 industrial serial number Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Heard the 830 was being discussed here; interesting site but i don't get here often, so i may not know how it works, but i just wanted to raise a few points for thought, and to make sure i don't get maligned here. I am no JD expert, but I have sold a few.

I assume you have read JR's article which i referenced. He plainly states and I based my description on his words; that the 830's shipped before S# 1400 may number as high as 24 (Educated guess after he studied the shipping records)that were equipped with industrial features; and that only one of them is known to have left the factory painted green. Previous paragraph in the article he states that most of these early tractors were painted industrial yellow but at least one is known to have been painted green. My desire to find an earlier serial number was to try to see how this one fits into the progression of the tractors development. It seems logical to me that the earliest tractors would have had the most chance of being green.
Could this one be the earliest one built or known remaining and could it be the green one that J. R. Hobbs wrote of? Seems possible to me

There is NO doubt in my mind that the tractor we are offering was painted green on the assembly line, nor do I have any doubt that it was wearing Industrial accessories, options or heavy duty parts if you wish, when it came out of the plant for delivery.

Making the point that this small group of undocumented tractors built before S# 1400 are not countable as 830 industrials is splitting hairs in my mind. I know a few collectors that will be hard to convince that they really don't own an industrial 830 after all. I can also verify that very near to my home here in Pa there is 830 "Ind" with serial number in the mid 300's that when found was hooked to a pan and wearing a cab; all in yellow and apparently from new. It is currently the next lowest Industrial S# I have been able to find and it has pretty much every feature that any 830I which i have ever seen has.

I also added a paragraph on the end of the listing which should cover anyone's concerns as to risk of this tractor having been tampered with.
There is nothing to hide about this tractor and it speaks for itself. Its easier to defend than a restored green Industrial would be. If we are incorrect i don't want anyone "burnt" by it or to view it as an intentional act.
#208 tractor came off of an estate very recently, no heirs with any knowledge and it has been setting for quite a while. It was listed on e/bay because it is probably the fastest way to get the word out and turn it into a fair cash value. It would be great to have 3 months of time and a national advertising budget, but we don't have that luxury.

One additional question? At what S# did the "I" actually show on the serial plate of the 830 industrial tractors? Was told that not all tractors had an I on the tag.

thanks to all for your input and interest
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:50 am    Post subject: Re: 830 industrial serial number Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You say "Educated guess after he studied the shipping records)that were equipped with industrial features; and that only one of them is known to have left the factory painted green"
Knowing JR and having a 30 series serial number register, they did not keep color codes on any of the waterloo built tractor. This one that JR mentions likely isn't yours because there is nothing that makes your tractor special in the register. Unless he knew of your tractor before you bought it, I would bet there is at least one more that JR knew of. Lets not forget you are quoting a 13 year old article.
"Could this one be the earliest one built or known remaining and could it be the green one that J. R. Hobbs wrote of? Seems possible to me"
So you are saying this may be the earliest one, if you use the argument that there are 24 with industrial features in the first 1400, then logic says that there are almost 2 in every 100 serial numbers so your would be at least the 4th or 5th built.
"There is NO doubt in my mind that the tractor we are offering was painted green on the assembly line, nor do I have any doubt that it was wearing Industrial accessories, options or heavy duty parts if you wish, when it came out of the plant for delivery."
What industrial parts does it have besides the frame. These frames broke and were replaced often. There was an 820 that yellow from the factory that sold at Polk's labor day auction that had a green frame on it. There was no question that this was yellow from the factory and had the frame switched. Could your frame have been switched? What is the casting code? Could the tractor just been a green one that had the frame broke and switched with an 840 frame then painted yellow?
"One additional question? At what S# did the "I" actually show on the serial plate of the 830 industrial tractors? Was told that not all tractors had an I on the tag."
Even a true 830I did not have an I on the tag.

I think you read an article and you are trying to make this tractor fit into JR's description. I think you need to talk to Jack Cherry at the two-cylinder club.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: 830 industrial serial number Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Your 730 would have been the 18th built. Ser# started at 730000
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: 830 industrial serial number Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Not sure what further questions to ask or answer, but if the tractor does not reach its reserve it will be on a ride across the I 80 corridor headed east tomorrow; and if anyone wants to see for themselves it can be arranged and/or if Mr Cherry has time and would like to see the tractor we will have it stop off in Grundy Center and he can give us his opinion of it.

you are correct, the only article I have is the one from years back. I received a copy of it about two days after we tied into the tractor.
I would like to know more about the serial number registry. In particular are any of the "early industrials" in the pre 1400 serial range specifically identified in any way? If so is it possible to arrive at a more accurate production number? What is lowest one mentioned?
Back to my question about the I in the serial number. What makes it an industrial? how it is equipped or how the tag reads?

On our tractor the tub frame is green against the metal, just like the rest of the tractor and it doesn't appear to have ever been unbolted. For sure the last owner didn't do it for monetary gain. It does have what appears to be a hydraulic
reservoir tank under left side of platform a heavy drawbar, and i was told the front axle is heavier than the ag type.
We will have to let the JD experts and collectors decide if we are wrong about our present opinion of the tractor.
thanks for your input
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:08 am    Post subject: Re: 830 industrial serial number Reply to specific post Reply with quote

leaman wrote:
(quoted from post at 17:10:31 12/09/12) Not sure what further questions to ask or answer, but if the tractor does not reach its reserve it will be on a ride across the I 80 corridor headed east tomorrow; and if anyone wants to see for themselves it can be arranged and/or if Mr Cherry has time and would like to see the tractor we will have it stop off in Grundy Center and he can give us his opinion of it.

you are correct, the only article I have is the one from years back. I received a copy of it about two days after we tied into the tractor.
I would like to know more about the serial number registry. In particular are any of the "early industrials" in the pre 1400 serial range specifically identified in any way? If so is it possible to arrive at a more accurate production number? What is lowest one mentioned?
Back to my question about the I in the serial number. What makes it an industrial? how it is equipped or how the tag reads?

On our tractor the tub frame is green against the metal, just like the rest of the tractor and it doesn't appear to have ever been unbolted. For sure the last owner didn't do it for monetary gain. It does have what appears to be a hydraulic
reservoir tank under left side of platform a heavy drawbar, and i was told the front axle is heavier than the ag type.
We will have to let the JD experts and collectors decide if we are wrong about our present opinion of the tractor.
thanks for your input




I was the one that sent you the message asking about the axles and it does have the correct axles as you describe them. I used to own the 830I #2337 and everything you described to me sounds right. Although it seems odd that it has the ag axle on the front but it could be an early thing.


So everyone, let me ask you this. I can see the argument of the frame being switched out but why would the axle be swapped out?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:18 am    Post subject: Re: 830 industrial serial number Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Look at this link: http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=294342
How in the world do you consider this the same axle?
Like the poster above said, there is no I on the serial. NO I anywhere. The letter I is not on any 830. You can take any 830 before 1400, add an 840 frame and you have a 830 with industrial options. They are not anything special.
You will never ever know what the first 830 with the industrial options. You would have to start at serial number 1 and work your way up, and I am sure by the time you hit 10, one of the tractors had been scraped with the serial still on and nobody will ever know what the first one is because it could have been any 830 that was scraped. There is nothing else to tell them apart in the serial number registor. Only appearances.

leaman, you need to get a sharper knife, because every 830 had a layer of yellow primer on before green. So I can almost be 100% there is not green right on the metal.
 
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