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old Tractor Guru
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:46 pm Post subject: 1891 Argintine Rifle pictures both sides |
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Ok so here it what the rifle looks like from both sides. Maybe you guy will know better what it is this way
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CHUCK CAMBIS Regular
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: 1891 Argintine Rifle pictures both sides |
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Military rifle redone with sporter stock. Argentine rifles are listed by size but going by the vintage my first guess would be a 7x57 (7mm mauser). that cartridge became very big around then and could be bought in many countries. Markings, signs, letters or numbers may indirectly identify it. whats it got? |
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old Tractor Guru
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: 1891 Argintine Rifle pictures both sides |
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Serial number is N7459. Other then that I know very little about it but then if you have read my other posts on this you would maybe understand a lot more |
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Bret4207 Tractor Expert
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:24 am Post subject: Re: 1891 Argintine Rifle pictures both sides |
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Yup, sporterized 91 Argie. I'd take a real close look at that bolt handle root/receiver area I was talking about. If the root isn't right down touching the receiver you'll have problems with the stud if it's there and even if it isn't, it can still give you issues.
If you've got it so it will work, it could just be a confluence of things coming together to create the need for a lightly longer FP. You seem to have solved the issue, so I'd proceed carefully and be alert for any indication of problems. Back when I had the gunshop I've had to remake more than one FP just a little longer to get reliable ignition.
Another thing I'd look at is I'd take the bolt back apart and soak the stripped bolt body in my favorite solvent. Then I'd use a screw driver or something to make sure there's no gunk down in the front that might be blocking the FP fall. As anyone who works on tractors knows, sometimes gunk can mess things up just enough to require a bit more power or fall to get things to work.
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keh Tractor Guru
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:33 am Post subject: Re: 1891 Argintine Rifle pictures both sides |
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Nice job sporterizing the M91. Is that a peep sight on the receiver?
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old Tractor Guru
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:33 am Post subject: Re: 1891 Argintine Rifle pictures both sides |
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Yes that is a peep site but that is also how I got this rifle many many years ago. Now finally after hanging on the wall for years I now have it shooting again |
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old Tractor Guru
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:35 am Post subject: Re: 1891 Argintine Rifle pictures both sides |
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Only markings if has are the ones that where there when made as in the 1891 Argentine Mauser and the serial number and that is it. |
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old Tractor Guru
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:41 am Post subject: Re: 1891 Argintine Rifle pictures both sides |
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I did clean the bolt when it was apart and did my best to remove any and all gunk it had in it as per what Al in ARK had told me on the phone. I used carb cleaner spray and a couple of barrel brushes and some Shooter Choice copper removes stuff I have in my gun cleaning case which by the way is one of those fot by foot but 2 foot tool boxes where I keep my gun cleaning stuff and some other stuff that I have no clue as to what the parts are. Guess I should pull the parts and pieces out and take a picture or 2 and maybe you guy could tell me what I have |
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jackinok Tractor Expert
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:53 am Post subject: Re: 1891 Argintine Rifle pictures both sides |
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I like it! built two this last summer using peeps,a 93 spanish and a 98 turkish. working as time allows on restocking a 03-a3 springfield now.ive scoped it,but can remove the scope and use the original peep if needed.replaced the original front with a banded base and wider aftermarket sight. makes it much easier to see with my poor old eyes. |
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old Tractor Guru
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:35 am Post subject: Re: 1891 Argintine Rifle pictures both sides |
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I plan on selling it. I want to scale down some so I have fewer sizes of ammo to deal with and it being an odd ball it just does not fit in with the plans. I already have 4 other size rounds I keep on hand and this one would make it 5 so makes since to sell this one and buy another one that uses the same ammo as I already use most of the time |
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Bret4207 Tractor Expert
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: 1891 Argintine Rifle pictures both sides |
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| jackinok wrote: | | (quoted from post at 09:53:08 12/12/12) I like it! built two this last summer using peeps,a 93 spanish and a 98 turkish. working as time allows on restocking a 03-a3 springfield now.ive scoped it,but can remove the scope and use the original peep if needed.replaced the original front with a banded base and wider aftermarket sight. makes it much easier to see with my poor old eyes. | Jack, one of my favorite rifles is a ratty old 95 Mauser 7x57. Wears an equally ratty old Bishop stock and a Williams peep. I think I've actually carried that rifle and shot more stuff with it than anything other than my 22's and trusty old 16 ga Ithaca. Just one of those guns that seems to hits whatever its pointed at. I don't think I could get $100.00 for it, but I wouldn't take $500.00! There's no flies on the grand old 7x57! |
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old Tractor Guru
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: 1891 Argintine Rifle pictures both sides |
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So now if you had to take a guess as to how much this 1891 Argentine is worth what would you say??? |
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Bret4207 Tractor Expert
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:33 am Post subject: Re: 1891 Argintine Rifle pictures both sides |
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IMO most any centerfire rifle in good repair is worth at least $100.00. That rifle I would say a max would be in the $250.00 area. It's sporterized, not original. That decreases value in a rifle like the 91. I'm sorry but the demand for rifles like that just doesn't exist anymore. In original military clothes it might be worth up over $500.00. |
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old Tractor Guru
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:12 am Post subject: Re: 1891 Argintine Rifle pictures both sides |
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Yes I understand that the demand for such a rifle is not way up there and due to what has been done makes it less so. My self I like the old Russian rifles and hand guns due to the fact they seem to be some of the hardest built weapons I have seen and ammo is for the most part easy and cheap |
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RGMartin Tractor Expert
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: 1891 Argintine Rifle pictures both sides |
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| Bret4207 wrote: | | (quoted from post at 08:33:26 12/13/12) IMO most any centerfire rifle in good repair is worth at least $100.00. That rifle I would say a max would be in the $250.00 area. It's sporterized, not original. That decreases value in a rifle like the 91. I'm sorry but the demand for rifles like that just doesn't exist anymore. In original military clothes it might be worth up over $500.00. |
I think you are being generous on your estimate. I would expect to see a $150 price tag on that at a local shop, and it would languish in the rack. It has most everything going against it, obscure caliber, weak action, sporterized, funky magazine.
The only thing it really has going for is the fact it is an antique/pre 1899. |
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