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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:37 am    Post subject: wagon hoist questions Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Have two old wagon hoists sitting in the shed. No
markings I can find. Who were the makers of these?
I know of midwest..were there any others? These
hoists are approx 6 in diameter and 19 in long.
Also was wondering if you could run two at a time
off the same hose and get them to lift correctly.
And I was wondering if by using two hoists at the
same time if they would stand up to a newer 1990 s
vintage tractor.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:07 am    Post subject: Re: wagon hoist questions Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have 3, all mine are midwest, but I'm guessing there are other manfacturers. Deere marketed one, but I'm not sure if they built it.

They may work side by side if identical and plumbed in a manner that they get equal flow. I have a Heil truck hoist that works in that manner.

DO NOT hook them to a tractor made much after, say, 1960. These were designed for 1950s hydraulic pumps, not nwer high pressure stuff. If you do, it may be their last trip up! Hooking the two together, and then hooking to a modern tractor will just blow up both of them.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:16 am    Post subject: Re: wagon hoist questions Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I don't know why you wouldn't use one on a modern tractor. The pressure is higher, but not so much that you can't use it if you are careful. use ours all the time with 2394 and 970 case and a new jd that I don't know the model of.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:18 am    Post subject: Re: wagon hoist questions Reply to specific post Reply with quote

why? if the hoist is capable of lifting the load it doesn't matter what is powering it, the only way you could ever hurt it is to fully extend it and continue to apply pressure, again that rare commodity "common sense" comes into play, I have a 200bu box wih a hoist that I used to haul grain with and raised it with 70's vintage 2000psi hyd. systems with out a problem
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:27 am    Post subject: Re: wagon hoist questions Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I had heard that you would blow out the cylinder with newer tractors. Apparently that only happens if you power it through the end of the stroke. So a little common sense could go a long way.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:28 am    Post subject: Re: wagon hoist questions Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Im also trying to determine the weight rating of these cylinders. If anyone has any idea id appreciate it.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: wagon hoist questions Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I've seen Stanhoist and Winpower hoists. Sears sold one too but don't know who made it for them. There are also Dewey hoists out there. Dewey is the only company still making wagon hoists that I am aware of. They have a double cylinder hoist that looks like two of the older singles side by side so your idea is good.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: wagon hoist questions Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Most of the old ones I've seen were 10,000 lbs. I guess back in the 50s they didn't think you'd ever get that heavy with a load.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: wagon hoist questions Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Weight rating depends on the column strength of the rod. Rod diameter and length of unsupported span determine column strenght. (in other words, bending strength) Long skinny rods bend easier than short fat. For a ball park, look at some comparable specs on a new cylinder that has the same bore, rod dia, and length of stroke.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: wagon hoist questions Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I've seen some that were entire frames the size of the wagon box with a cylinder.

I've also seen the ones that are just barely bigger than the cylinder, with some steel that attached to the front bolester and front stringer of the box. I suspect this is the type you are talking about.

They should handle pressures up to 2500lb hydraulics, so should stand most new tractors.

Typically they bend the running gear middle member before anything else. They are hard on a weak running gear.

You could Tee 2 of them together, but this would work opposite of what it appears you are saying, it would run slower but lift twice as much, and be 4 times as likely to damage something. Also most want to be centered on that middle pipe of the running gear, they wouldn't fit right side by side unless you fabricate more. And, if you loaded your wagon off-center the light side would go up more, causing stability and twisting issues - can be compensated for but the hydraulic connection becomes much more complicated. By teeing them together you still would have full hyd pressure to both hoists, the oil would just be 1/2 as fast.

So - you can double them, but I don't think you'd ever want to unless you had a very strong running gear and box with extra fabricating?

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