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Starting a 650 John Deere w/2cyl. diesel engine

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:27 pm    Post subject: Starting a 650 John Deere w/2cyl. diesel engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have this 650 John Deere with a 2cyl. diesel engine. It starts real good when it is warm, however, when it is cold especially under 65 degrees it is almost impossible to start. What is the reason? And what can I do to remedy this? I have installed a new preheater but that does not solve the problem.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Starting a 650 John Deere w/2cyl. diesel engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote


2 cyl??? Preheater????


Not sure what you mean. Should be a 3 cylinder Yanmar engine with glow plugs. Most likely the glow plugs aren't working properly.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Starting a 650 John Deere w/2cyl. diesel engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It is a Yanmar 2 cyl. diesel. The tractor is about a 1969 model. The pre-heater is in the fuel system before the injectors. I have power to the pre-heater (not sure if that is the correct term for it). I did replace the pre-heater after I bought the tractor hoping that would solve the problem, however it has not.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Starting a 650 John Deere w/2cyl. diesel engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Bought a 2020 4 cyl diesel that wouldn't start without ether at 65 degrees either. I had the pump rebuilt and it will start at 25 now with no ether or glow plugs. Can't beat a proper working pump. Had the injectors rebuilt also.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Starting a 650 John Deere w/2cyl. diesel engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thank you for the information from both of you. Will keep on checking.
Have a Merry Christmas
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Starting a 650 John Deere w/2cyl. diesel engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Emil, are you getting 12 volts to the pre-heater when rolling the key to pre-heat? are you getting fuel to it also?

Shoot me your email and I'll forward a PDF of the Deere tech manual for it. It should help you pin it down
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Starting a 650 John Deere w/2cyl. diesel engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I Checked with a light tester and I have power to the pre-heater. Will check it with the meter as well. Have an 850 amp hr. 12 volt battery to give it a good turn over. When it cranks I have a lot of black smoke and sometimes it sounds as though it will start, but does not quite make it.
my e-mail is: eesy@embarqmail.com

Thank you
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Starting a 650 John Deere w/2cyl. diesel engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

manual on the way
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:18 am    Post subject: Re: Starting a 650 John Deere w/2cyl. diesel engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thank you Joe. This is a fine Christmas Gift.
Have an entire new project ahead now. This is going to be a fine project for this coming week.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:23 am    Post subject: Re: Starting a 650 John Deere w/2cyl. diesel engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote


How many hours are on tachometer?? Possible faulty injectors.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:04 am    Post subject: Re: Starting a 650 John Deere w/2cyl. diesel engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Those are late 70's to mid 80's No glow plugs,but pre combustion chambers.
Engine could just be worn out ? They should easily start even down to freezing. We never had our 750 out in the real cold temps. so not sure how low they go? Never have used the intake preheater or the block heater.
I would want to do a cmpression test on it. How's the cranking speed? Air & fuel filters? Valves been adjusted and injectors tested every 500 hours? Some of this simple stuff could do it.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Starting a 650 John Deere w/2cyl. diesel engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Could someone post a picture of the 650 tractor being discussed here?? The only 650 that shows up on jdparts is a small utility tractor, 80's vintage with the 3 cylinder Yanmar.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Starting a 650 John Deere w/2cyl. diesel engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thats the tractor but the 650 is a 2 cyl. The 750 is the 3cyl.
Same bore & stroke just one more if I remember right. They
used to be in the same parts book.Maybe they are on line
too?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Starting a 650 John Deere w/2cyl. diesel engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Will be checking all these suggestions and solutions starting with the easiest ones and going to the more detailed.

Thank you all so much. Any more suggestions are sure welcome.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Starting a 650 John Deere w/2cyl. diesel engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Alright, my bad. I thought the small tractors were all 3 cyl. Learn something everyday. Laughing

The original post said it was a 1969 which doesn't seem right.
 
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