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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:59 pm    Post subject: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The Community Antique Tractor Pullers have finalized there 2013 rules and we are pleased to announce that we have added a "Farm +" Class to all of our events please take a few minutes to review the new rules.

Our goal is to make a spot for almost all tractors where we can come out and have a good time.


Hope to see you at some of our events in 2013 we are still working on some new and exciting dates as soon as it is finalized we will get it posted so you can add it to your calendar!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted Reply to specific post Reply with quote

How far south in Wisconsin?
I am in IL and looking for places to pull.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted Reply to specific post Reply with quote

We are primarly in Dane, Green, and Rock Counties in Wisconsin we also have events in Durand and Freeport Ill. If you go to the http://www.tractorpullers.org you can see the 2012 schedule that will give you a good idea on where we will be for 2013 we are hoping to add a few more special events!
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted Reply to specific post Reply with quote

A 5500# farm stock can run 18.4-38 tires but a 6500# farm + can only run 16.9-38 tires?? Seems odd to me.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Odd or a place for everyone? Depends on how you’re looking at it different tractors fall into different classes. What we have been running for a Farm Class has been working we have a great amount of hooks per year we didn’t change or do anything like that however there is a group of tractors that don’t quite fit either of the classes so instead of making them jump classes why not invite them to come with limited rules to make it fair but challenging to all
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I spent that last couple years piecing together a Farmall M that could be competitive in Farm Stock and was looking forward to the 2013 season. Now I am wondering if I have to compete against guys with a big cube engine idling down the track in third gear. Maybe those guys on here are right when they say that there is no entry level place to compete. I still will be out there this year. If it turns out I have to spend big money to compete in what should be an entry level class I probably will just stay home. Wait and see.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Larry,

The Farm Stock class that you are referring to is still there and hasn’t changed all that much from what it has been for years the only rule change for 2013 was that the hitch height went to 16" similar to what all "Farm Tractors" came with. What we saw during the 2012 season was that a number of the Local tractors at each of the events couldn’t make the 18” height so with the addition of the “Farm +” class.

We also noticed that there may have been some larger CI tractors in the farm class that is the main reason for the “Farm +” class for the guys that have some work done to their tractors but aren’t to the point of running a cut tire.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I was reading your rules it says any gear as long as your under 3 or 3.5 mph but no TA. Why is the everyone choose a tractor for its special feature. John deere for its low lugging power, MM for its limitless big cubes, and so on why are you kicking farmall out because they have a TA. Just wondering
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted Reply to specific post Reply with quote

LarryM,

Not that it matters but you were asking about the farm class wasnt that you a few weeks ago asking about an M&W Stroker crank!

HA HA we hope to see you out this spring.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted Reply to specific post Reply with quote

There is a handful of tractors with a torq in it so it isn’t just the farmalls that are at a disadvantage. We looked at the main pulling clubs and some of the larger events it was determined that we would not allow torqing. There are many different styles of tractors made throughout the years what we tried to do was make the rules as equal as possible. In our area there are a few farmalls that have the limitless cubic inches as well!
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yes!! I was asking about a 450 farmall that I bought that when I got it home I found out it has an M&W crank shaft and a 4.250" bore. Best 1200 I ever spent. That engine has a lot of vibration and I was asking if that was normal and if it could be balanced. Ironically I currently have no plans of using this engine in my M. Ever break the word assume down? A few years ago I bought a 450 that was putting oil into the coolant with the intention of parting it out. Once I got it home I found out it has 2700 original hours on it. The clutch pedal has very little play. It is the tightest 450 I have come across. I couldn’t bring myself to part out such a nice tractor so I kept it and it has been parked in the shed for three years without an engine. My intention for the M&W stroker engine is put it in that 450 or sell it. I may sell it because I now have enough parts to build another C-281 with the standard M&W pistons. The engine in my pulling M I paid 200 dollars for. It was mildly stuck. I ground the valves, polished the head, honed the numbers 2&3 cylinders with the pistons in it, put the head back on with the used head gasket, and so far I am turning 70 hp at 540 pto. It has the 450 cold manifold that it came with, a Thompson Governor that it came with, and a C-281 power unit carb with a 301 venturi and the total cost is only $240. The rest of the tractor is built from pieces of tractors I have parted out. Total cost of the tractor is less than $1000 and over half that is engine and tires. My point, which I think you may have missed, is that if to be competitive a person has to spend big dollars then the window of opportunity to get people excited about the sport is greatly diminished. There needs to a lower cost entry level that a person can compete in. Leadership 101 - People who are able to compete at an entry level will most likely want to move up to a higher level. If a person does not feel they can even compete they will never spend the money to be a consistent winner. This principle is true in everything from tractor pulling to competitive sports to business. If people do not believe they can compete they won’t try. We pulled a lot when I was a kid. I always liked pulling and so a few years ago I started looking at the rules and thinking about what kind of tractor would be competitive. I spent two to three years piecing a tractor together that would be competitive in Farm Stock and at the same time kept it low budget enough to keep my wife happy. The new rules change may or may not eliminate my tractor from being competitive. My plan for 2013 is to go to a bunch of pulls and if the reality I am faced with equates to spending a lot of money on a big cube engine to be competitive in farm stock then I probably will lose interest. My enthusiasm has been greatly subdued by the new CATP rules for farm stock.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Do any of your pull have a class below 3800?
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted Reply to specific post Reply with quote

LarryM,

Please take a minute and re-read the new rules for 2013 we have 3 divisions compared to the 2 we have ran in the past 20+ years we added a class for thoes "in between" tractors

We have our traditional "Farm Stock" Class that we have had forever the only change is that the hitch height has been reduced to 16" we hear you on the keeping the cost low that is why this class was left mostly unchanged.


The "Farm +" Class for those tractors similar to your stroker 450 some work done but not a full out machine with wheelie bars and the cut tires limited by speed and RPM's

And our "Modified Antique" that is full cut 20% rpm's run what you brung and hope you brung enough

If you are concerned that the loss of 2" in height will limit your success in the "farm" class please remember that everyone in the class will have the same challenges

On a side note I too run an M that was stuck it sounds like yours is healthy and hope to see you out this spring
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The turnout for those classes is low if we were to get the tractors we would accommodate
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have had more fun learning how to make an engine flow and generate horsepower this last year than I have had pulling. I have a 44 massey that is kicking out 70 hp with M&W pistons in it and stock stroke.
 
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