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Redturbo Regular
Joined: 26 Dec 2012 Posts: 446 Location: Paradise Valley, Alberta
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:18 pm Post subject: Please Help, adding live hydraulic pump to a Super W6 |
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Hey there, Scott here from Alberta. Since its winter, & we have snow this yr. Need to do something with hyd's on this old tractor. Been in the family since 1953, but doesnt have factory pump. Back in 50's Grandfather had a char lynn pto driven pump. It failed in the 70's, Dad found a used setup & made parts of it work, driven off the crankshaft to a hyd pump out front. Now fast forward to 2012, time to repair. Old pump was leaking, not secure. Went our local TSC type store, got a $100 pump. Had shaft made, read did alot of it. Made it look better in the process. Problem is shaft seal on pump comes out, then leaks. Tried another pump, couple seals. Likely my shaft is off causing the seal to leak. Thought had it fixed, plowed farm yard twice with no leaks. Plowed on the 24th, have oil leaking again. So im tired of this idea, looking to add live hyd pump in front of the distributor instead. Do I need any other parts other than the pump? Another issue were having is hyd's are slow, engine only turns 1450rpm. This 100 pump range is 1000 to 4000, image not turning it fast enough. Thanks for any help on live pump. |
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mkirsch Tractor Guru
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:32 am Post subject: Re: Please Help, adding live hydraulic pump to a Super W6 |
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In addition to the pump, you need the adapter block that the hoses attach to, a reservoir, at least one spool valve, hoses, and fittings to hook it all up.
You're going to choke at the price of a live pump... It's around $900.
I would recommend going with a new pump. You're taking a huge chance on a used pump, and people tend to drive the prices of those well up over 1/2 the cost of new. Get one bad used pump, and you've spent way more than you would have on a new pump. |
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farmallboy15 Long Time User
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Please Help, adding live hydraulic pump to a Super W6 |
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I have a used hydraulic pump that should fit your tractor. I have the adaptor block as well. It spins and the bearings feel tight. I'd let it go for $200. My email is open. 740 four zero seven 1430. Picture is in parts photo ads. |
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tobaccoman Regular
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:11 am Post subject: Re: Please Help, adding live hydraulic pump to a Super W6 |
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I have the original complete factory setup you need, came off a Super W6. The pump, reservior, hoses, and control valve are all there. Sold my tractor and don"t need anymore. Will take just what I paid; $400 plus shipping. Email if interested. |
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Jim Becker Tractor Guru
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Russ 600 Guest
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Please Help, adding live hydraulic pump to a Super W6 |
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Hi Scott
I see your from Alberta, have you checked out the Hydraulic dept. of your local Princess Auto Store. They have a lot of neat stuff.
Cheers
Russ |
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sflem849 Tractor Guru
Joined: 15 Jan 2007 Posts: 6190 Location: SE Wisconsin
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Please Help, adding live hydraulic pump to a Super W6 |
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Russ 600 wrote: | (quoted from post at 15:10:40 12/27/12) Hi Scott
I see your from Alberta, have you checked out the Hydraulic dept. of your local Princess Auto Store. They have a lot of neat stuff.
Cheers
Russ |
IIRC he said that is where he got the second pump (It was on RPM) |
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Janicholson Tractor Guru
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Please Help, adding live hydraulic pump to a Super W6 |
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Be careful of the direction of spin. A seal system on a hydraulic pump is always set so it has intake (suction) on it, not pressure. If the pump is turning backwards, it will leak. Also if the hydraulic system is not vented, less expensive pump seals will blow from moderate system pressure on the suction side. Best of luck. I would probably go with the 400 dollar option below. Freight needs to be looked at carefully, but it is a deal. Jim |
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sflem849 Tractor Guru
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Please Help, adding live hydraulic pump to a Super W6 |
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Janicholson wrote: | (quoted from post at 18:52:33 12/27/12) Be careful of the direction of spin. A seal system on a hydraulic pump is always set so it has intake (suction) on it, not pressure. If the pump is turning backwards, it will leak. Also if the hydraulic system is not vented, less expensive pump seals will blow from moderate system pressure on the suction side. Best of luck. I would probably go with the 400 dollar option below. Freight needs to be looked at carefully, but it is a deal. Jim |
Aren't quite a few pumps bidirectional? Or is that only hyd motors? |
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Janicholson Tractor Guru
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Please Help, adding live hydraulic pump to a Super W6 |
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Some can be but the seals are usually not designed to take the high pressure side of the system. thus the end spacer plate and seal are usually on the outside of the end bushings. The space between the bushing and the seal is open (or ported) to the low pressure side to prevent seal blowout. Hydraulic motors are often designed much differently and often have substantial Oring seal systems. Jim |
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Redturbo Regular
Joined: 26 Dec 2012 Posts: 446 Location: Paradise Valley, Alberta
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: Please Help, adding live hydraulic pump to a Super W6 |
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The pump did come from Princess Auto. Only problem with that, they know less than me. Which doesn't take much in hydraulics. From what I have read on here, must be pressuring up the center section. The pump is suppose to be able to turn both ways. Had to take apart & change rotation. Maybe I have screwed that up.
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Please Help, adding live hydraulic pump to a Super W6 |
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: Please Help, adding live hydraulic pump to a Super W6 |
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Please Help, adding live hydraulic pump to a Super W6 |
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Please Help, adding live hydraulic pump to a Super W6 |
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