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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:07 am    Post subject: Red paint for 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

While cleaning the parts for the tractor,I noticed that there is paint on the top of the air cleaner,that has A orange red color the paint in the rattle can from TSC is more red. I was woundering if the diff is Dearborn red verse Vermillion red.I"am try to get to factory color as close aas poss,thanks George
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:30 am    Post subject: Re: Red paint for 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

the later series had a quite orangy red. hard to see the real difference without units setting next to each other.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:05 am    Post subject: Re: Red paint for 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The original was a more of a orange tint,you can notice the difference when the job is done,it doesn't look just right.New Holland has the right color for about the same price as other places,look on the can for the year.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:23 am    Post subject: Re: Red paint for 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

This '49 was painted with New Holland paint. I like the color and it has held up well. Has good gloss and was easy to apply.

 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:25 am    Post subject: Re: Red paint for 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

George.......why does that surprize you? RED paint FADES. Even when NOT exposed to sunlite. Yer worrying about matching 50-yo paint??? sheesh. Paint it enny color that pleases you, even Vermillion as specified in the N-Parts catalog. .........Dell, the 20/20 painter; looks good at 20-ft or 20-mph
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Red paint for 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks for the Info on the New Holland paint,when it is time to paint the tractor I will definantly look at that,Just left the NH dealer A hour ago.Looking for A spring for the Hyd pump 8n697 for the intake controll valve. thanks George
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Red paint for 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I"ve found Rustolium safety red matches the origional 8-n color really close. I buy it at Lowes for a reasonable price per gal.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Red paint for 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Geo/2/8N wrote:
(quoted from post at 16:07:26 01/02/13) While cleaning the parts for the tractor,I noticed that there is paint on the top of the air cleaner,that has A orange red color the paint in the rattle can from TSC is more red. I was woundering if the diff is Dearborn red verse Vermillion red.I"am try to get to factory color as close aas poss,thanks George


Pull the bottom cup off the air cleaner and look inside. That will be the original red color that hasn't been exposed to sunlight and faded.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:31 am    Post subject: Re: Red paint for 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It's ironic when owners (myself included) fret endlessly about what is the absolutely correct color, then paint the tractor with alkyd paint. Alkyds (which is what just about all the tractor paints and general purpose enamels are) are outdated technology, notorious for fading, chalking and changing color with time and sunlight - especially the reds! OK for a working machine that will be kept under cover, but maybe not the best choice for one that will not be.
Unfortunately, there is usually a huge jump in price from alkyd to anything substantially better.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:23 am    Post subject: Re: Red paint for 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

When I need to touch up any of the red, I use TSC rattle cans. They match the rustoliem color spot on. For dark spots where the color is gone completly, I hit them first with a light gray primer. The red doesn"t cover well without doing this first.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Red paint for 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Seems to be two schools of option on the original red color of 8N series tractors.
Vermillion red and NH red.
Research proves that both are correct.
At some point in time in the 50's Ford Dearborn tractor division changed the color from deep blue red to the vermillion orange red.

Vermillion red has a yellow dye proved by spectrum analysis which gives it an orange appearance.

NH red has no yellow but contains blue dye proved by spectrun analysis which appears a deep red with no orange.

Therefore, Vermillion red is on the yellow side of true red while NH red is on on blue side of true red.

True orange is 50% true yellow and 50% true red which are primary colors.

Removing the lower cup on the air filter of a 49N shows the red color paint on the inside surface that was not exposed to UV is not an orange red but rather a deep blue red as proved by spectrum analysis. NH red is the best match to this original color.

There two red colors sold at the New Holland dealership.
1. M1J-956 which contains 9% yellow,
62% violet,20% red
2. 70780DS which contains 0% yellow, 79% violet,
25% red
where violet is between red and blue.
The M1J-956 appears orange red tinted.
The 70780DS is a blue red and does not appear orange red.

Valspar makes a NH red market with the label tractor and implement enamel which is 76% violet, 23% red, 0% yellow

Valspar also makes a IH red under the same label which is 73% violet and 25% red, 0% yellow

The Valspar NH red appears more blue red than the IH red.

Valspar also makes Ford red with the same label which is 28% yellow, 57% violet, 14% red.
This paint apears more orange then the New Holland M1J-956 red

Van Sickle out of Omaha, NE makes a vermillion red and NH red alkyd paint.

Rustoleum makes a genral purpose spray paint with the color name "sunrise red", which quite popular probably since it is low cost.
The color is 24% yellow, 62% violet, 14% red

Rustoleum also makes a general purpose low cost spray paint with the color name "regal red".
The color is 2% yellow, 81% violet, 16% red
These two genral purpose oil based spray paints can be purchased at Walmart at less than $4/can.

I know the % of dye tint on over 35 red colored oil based alkyd spray paint products based on spectrum analysis on a paint chip analayzer that with an accurancy of 384 parts / oz of dye.
 
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