Yesterday's Tractor Co. Parts for Farm Tractors - Compare our Prices!
Click Here or call 800-853-2651 
   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 9N,2N,8N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   Traditional YT Forum ViewClassic View   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

So, the tractor project is on!!


 
Post new topic    
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Lanse
Tractor Guru


Joined: 21 Jul 2007
Posts: 4728
Location: Brookville, OH

Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:32 pm    Post subject: So, the tractor project is on!! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yeeeeeeeehaw!!

I told a very good (and mechanically-inclined) friend of mine about my home-made tractor idea, and he thought it was awesome... And then he told me today he found a beater GMC Sierra for $200 and bought it for me, haha. Figured if I didnt want it, he'd just scrap it and make a hundred or so for himself. Really cool of him...

Anyway, here's what I know:

1) Its DESTROYED. It belongs to guy number 1, who was friends/acquaintances/relatives with guy number 2. Guy #2 decides he doesn't like guy #1 and takes it out on the truck. Smashed windows, took a hammer to the body, cut the upholstery, things like that. Hasn't been run since, so we're going to cut the fuel lines and drain the oil and everything else just to be on the safe side. Also, the entire body is getting scrapped, but to be fair, we probably would have had to do that anyway.

2) It burns oil, lots of oil. It needs rings, but my buddy said he's done other 305 small blocks, and they're not bad at all. Its a whopping $149 for a ring and gasket kit online.

3) Its a 1989-1991 model, and has a clean title, but thats about all I know about it.

And for $200, I can't really complain. One can get a rough but running Ford farm truck around here for $600, and anything GM starts at $750-$900 or so. Worst case scenario is I scrap it and make money. I mean, sure its rough but it has everything i need for this project. Engine, transmission, rear axle, and front end. I couldnt care less how rusty/damaged the body is.

Anyway, I've found my beater donor truck for the tractor project.

The worst part is... Its a (dundundun) AUTOMATIC.

That almost scared me away from the whole deal, lol. But, people say the best way to slow a truck down for tractor duty, is to simply put a second transmission behind the first, which sounds like the way go go here.

Instead of having a 25 speed tractor (two five speeds), I'll end up with 5 ranges, and a gas petal... So to speak, I guess. Atleast if my figuring is right.

I'm gonna have to find a random used manual transmission around here somehow, thats gonna be fun.

So, my questions...

1) How exactly does one "join" two transmissions together? I'm picturing some kind of a belt setup here, but I'm unsure.

2) How would I rig up any kind of a hydraulic setup off this thing? I'm hydraulically clueless, to be perfectly honest. Someone said something about getting an additional power-steering pump, and running off that.

Im undecided if I want to make a smaller three point hitch, or build some kind of front blade attachment. Possibly a front end loader.

For anyone that didnt see my thread on homemade tractors a week or three ago... This is something that I've decided to build for the heck of it. I'll make a custom frame, custom sheet metal, etc and hope to have a useable (if strange) creation that should be an awesome project and something thats good to have, when it's all said and done. It's a winter project.

Thanks for your time, everyone. Y'all are gonna get plenty of videos out of this Smile
 
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
DiyDave
Tractor Guru


Joined: 16 Nov 2007
Posts: 8852


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:07 am    Post subject: Re: So, the tractor project is on!! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Save the driveshaft, off your automatic, cut it off a couple of inches behind the front U-joint. When You find the right tranny, be sure to get a good measurement of the input shaft, and buy a U-joint that fits the input shaft, and make up a solid shaft (extension not necessarily needed, If both trannies are bolted secure).
 
Back to top
View user's profile
Mike M
Tractor Guru


Joined: 31 Mar 1998
Posts: 19014


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: So, the tractor project is on!! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Oh NO !! Lanse and a tractor project in the same sentence !

Scrap it now while you are ahead !!!!! You did get a real deal on it.
 
Back to top
View user's profile
Lanse
Tractor Guru


Joined: 21 Jul 2007
Posts: 4728
Location: Brookville, OH

Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:42 am    Post subject: Re: So, the tractor project is on!! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

How hard would it be to run some kind of hydraulic setup off a transfer case? Its got me wondering...
 
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
Husker44A
Long Time User


Joined: 10 Nov 2010
Posts: 1457


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:01 pm    Post subject: Re: So, the tractor project is on!! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Lanse. 4x4 or 2x4 ? Automatic tranny I read. Find a chevy 4spd from a early 80s or late 70s two wheel drive chevy pickup. These trannys have a cover that can be removed and install your hydraulic pump to. Make a x-member for chevy tranny install chevy tranny behind the auto. You'll have to shorten the rear driveshaft tho. Not hard to do. But you'll have to make a driveshaft for the manual to auto tranny. Like the old Dodge 4x4 had with there divorced transfer cases. Should be simple enough.
 
Back to top
View user's profile
504
Tractor Expert


Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Posts: 2709


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: So, the tractor project is on!! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

P/S pumps work fine, running off the transmission will stop the live power thing,but I do think running off the transfer case will give live power.
 
Back to top
View user's profile
DENNIS MIN
Long Time User


Joined: 13 Mar 2010
Posts: 671


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: So, the tractor project is on!! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yep, many moons ago, 2 brothers and I had a similar idea.

 
Back to top
View user's profile
notjustair
Tractor Expert


Joined: 07 Jun 2010
Posts: 2152
Location: NE Kansas

Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: So, the tractor project is on!! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I bought a tractor where they had added hydraulics for a lift. They used the unit from a grain truck. It worked pretty slick as those have good capacity and a built in reservoir. It could be mounted with a belt or use an electric motor to turn it I suppose.
 
Back to top
View user's profile
red.green
Regular


Joined: 04 Sep 2009
Posts: 125


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:22 pm    Post subject: Re: So, the tractor project is on!! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Like diydave said cut the existing drive shaft after the universal and use a matching spline to fit the front of the second trans then install a universal joint. Or find, fit, or weld a yoke on the front of the second trans and connect with a universal joint, this will also allow for a small amount of misalignment between trans 1 and trans 2. My dad chose the later on a home built tractor many years ago, and it never broke. Look at an older four wheel drive with a separate transfer case this will give you a good idea of how itís done.

You never stated if truck is 2 or 4 wheel, keep in mind that if you add a trans to a 4 wheel drive you will be moving the transfer case back reducing the rear drive shaft and stretching the front one. You could also change axels to lower ratios thereby reducing speed and increasing torque.
 
Back to top
View user's profile
Stick welding
Guest






Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: So, the tractor project is on!! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'm more interested in how it's going at the Hobart school? You haven't said boo about it since you started stick welding. Give us an update please.
 
Back to top
scotc
Tractor Expert


Joined: 18 May 2003
Posts: 1951


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: So, the tractor project is on!! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The real problem with running a manual behind an auto is that if you miss a shift on the manual, you"ll have to kill the engine to get it back in gear. And to use the hydraulics without moving you"d have to shift it to neutral and put the auto back in gear. And what happens when you go to reverse with the auto? Your hydraulic pump turns backwards.

I"m sure you could fab up a mount for an engine-driven hydraulic pump to go where the A/C compressor is or something.

A 3 pt isn"t going to work real well if the rear is suspended. Jeep found that out when they tried selling plows after WW2.
 
Back to top
View user's profile
mkirsch
Tractor Guru


Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Posts: 10343


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:32 am    Post subject: Re: So, the tractor project is on!! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The manual would be AFTER the automatic, right?

Automatic bolted to engine, manual bolted to automatic.

The automatic's hydraulic pump will always turn the right way.

Missing a shift wouldn't be an issue if the manual is synchronized.
 
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Yesterday's Tractors Forum Index -> Tool Talk All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
TRACTOR   PARTS TRACTOR   MANUALS
Same-Day Shipping! Most of our stocked parts ship the same day you order (M-F).  Expedited shipping available, just call!  Most prices for parts and manuals are below our competitors.  Compare our super low shipping rates!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor.  We are a Company you can trust and have generous return policies!   Shop Online Today or call our friendly sales staff toll free (800) 853-2651.

YT Home  |  Forums Home

Copyright © 1997-2014 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters