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Brian Livingstone
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:17 pm    Post subject: Need wireing help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hello all. I am new to this forum as I purchased my first tractor
3 weeks ago. It is a ford 2n . The former owner had converted
to 12 volt with some kind of home brew electronic ignition .
There was 2 different modules screwed to the hood and did it
look awfull. I purchased a new 12 volt conversion kit but my
wireing knowledge is very limited. I have instructions but they
are somewhat unclear to me as how the connections work at
both the starting switch and the starter solinoid. The solinoid is
marked where the battery lead connects one one side. It also
shows a white wire going from the switch to the small lead on
the solinoid but I can't understand why.
I apologize for my ignorance in this area but I sure would
appreciate any advice you could offer.
Thank Brian ( new 2n owner)
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Need wireing help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

JMOR will be in soon and has pictograms to follow on your project. I used them on my 462N & they are spot on.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Need wireing help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If I was talking to you on the phone I could explain it in my sleep but on here it takes a good bit to do. I have done many 12 volt conversions on many tractors so if you find you need help my e-mail is always open and I will do my best to help you if you need it and give you my home number there to boot. I have had many people call me over the years and some call me still
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Need wireing help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Welcome to the forum Brian.
Are you planning on keeping the "home brew" EI?
If so, it might help if you could post some pictures of it.
Odds are its an EI from one of the regular manufacturers.
The wiring is not that tough, folks here can and will help.
Do you have a one wire or three wire alternator?
JMOR has pictograms for both, and I agree they are spot on.
You can find them by simply Googling "wiring diagrams by JMOR"
Congrats on the new tractor!
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Need wireing help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I am not a 12v expert. Here is a wiring diagram by JMOR. There are several ways to do this. Note the 9/2Ns do not have a solenoid normally but it is possible that the previous owner has bypassed the safety started and added a key automotive type starter and a solenoid. I have one like that presently and will be converting it back to the original starter switch.


 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Need wireing help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

So this diagram shows it wired without the starter solinoid. That is interesting because the original solinoid was also bypassed by the previous owner. Is this then the proper way to wire a 2n?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Need wireing help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Brian Livingstone wrote:
(quoted from post at 23:19:52 01/09/13) So this diagram shows it wired without the starter solinoid. That is interesting because the original solinoid was also bypassed by the previous owner. Is this then the proper way to wire a 2n?
9n & 2N had no solenoid. They had the mechanically/hand operated switch. In that regard the diagram is a good one. As it says, it reflects the TISCO conversion kit wiring recommendations. Personally, I do not like the "alternator only ammeter" connection. The Fords used a "net ammeter" connection & I like that connection (below).


 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Need wireing help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Brian........you write......"The solinoid is marked where the battery lead connects one one side. It also shows a white wire going from the switch to the small lead on the solinoid but I can't understand why" ........ONLY the 8N had 3-terminal starter mounted solenoid. The 9N/2N has a roundcan voltage regulator under the battery tray that many neubie shadetree mechanics might mistake for a solenoid. Most likely, the white wire is providing power to the ignition switch and thru the "infamous ballast resistor" to the top terminal of the 4-nipple squarecan ignition coil. .........Dell, a 12-volt advocate for the right reasons, who knows 8-ways to convert to 12-volts and they all work the first time
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Need wireing help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

As JMOR said the 9N and 2N used a starter button that you push down and that in turn pushes a contact-or that then sends battery voltage to the starter and NO true solenoid was on it.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Need wireing help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Dell (WA) wrote:
(quoted from post at 00:55:48 01/10/13) Brian........you write......"The solinoid is marked where the battery lead connects one one side. It also shows a white wire going from the switch to the small lead on the solinoid but I can't understand why" ........ONLY the 8N had 3-terminal starter mounted solenoid. The 9N/2N has a roundcan voltage regulator under the battery tray that many neubie shadetree mechanics might mistake for a solenoid. Most likely, the white wire is providing power to the ignition switch and thru the "infamous ballast resistor" to the top terminal of the 4-nipple squarecan ignition coil. .........Dell, a 12-volt advocate for the right reasons, who knows 8-ways to convert to 12-volts and they all work the first time

"The 9N/2N has a roundcan voltage regulator under the battery tray"
Its past you bed time, Dell.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: Need wireing help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

yep, past m'bedtime.........cutout Dell
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:40 am    Post subject: Re: Need wireing help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Can you take a picture and show us what you are calling a solenoid? There was no solenoid on these tractors originally, but one could have been added.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Need wireing help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks to all of you for your help . You are a great bunch .
The tractor is so close to starting but just won't keep going . I am wondering if it has something to do with the in line resistor I installed that came with he kit. Am I correct that the additional resistor is not required with a 12 volt coil? I am not positive what coil I received with my conversion kit but I assume it is a 12 volt. Is there an easy way to tell
Thanks again . Brian
 
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