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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:32 pm    Post subject: Non draft control top link pin (a) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Inno,

I finally found a picture of the top link connector that connects to the long upper pin.
This is the answer to your question about hooking to the top link, but not affecting the draft control.

we all need one of these top brackets.
i understand it was one of many (Harry Ferguson Implement Non-Ferguson accessories).

 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Non draft control top link pin (a) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Somebody made that one. As far as I know all the originals were cast iron.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Non draft control top link pin (a) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

http://maritime.dns.ca/mgerrits/tractors/other.html
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Non draft control top link pin (a) Reply to specific post Reply with quote


If I remember correctly somebody over on the N club forum made that one. I've see the same pic and the drawings for making it over there. Somebody was needing it to hook up their Dearborn 14-15. The originals had a set screw on each side for adjustment.




 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Non draft control top link pin (a) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I do not believe the originals were cast iron. I am fairly sure the picture Maxwell posted is the original style as some time ago John (UK) had sent me that same picture or one very much like it so I would be able to make it if I so desired to. If my memory is correct there were two almost identical to that picture one was just a tiny bit different and now I can't remember the difference. There goes my memory. LOL
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Non draft control top link pin (a) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Maybe the one for the Ferguson boom crane was made out of steel but I did find a post and John(UK) was talking about those brackets. These are his words I copied and pasted.

I should have said in that last email that the top link bracket will need to be that cast type that is in the parts Book as I think the one shown in the earlier picture is not as long so it will pull the mower forward at the top. BUT if you can't find one of the original type (advertise for one of the Ford section) then you could make one up fairly easily as it isn't complicated and easy enough to weld together.John
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Non draft control top link pin (a) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Jason once you said that it rang a bell yes we were talking about the cranes. I believe there was one also similar to it for a mower.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Non draft control top link pin (a) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I built the one in the first pic it is a copy of the ferguson crane bracket without the pipe spacer so you can use a top link. the cast one for the mowers still push on the rocker making the draft cense and you cant get a top link in it. I made 30 of them sold them all they work great if I get some time iI will make more
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Non draft control top link pin (a) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Okay that is what was different the other one just like this had a round (pipe) spacer that is what I remember, but it was the steel style not cast iron.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:38 am    Post subject: Re: Non draft control top link pin (a) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Scott, speaking of you building and selling parts, do you have any more or plan to make more of the fold down front bumpers for the TO20/TO30?

Dan
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:49 am    Post subject: Re: Non draft control top link pin (a) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

There is no need to use the bracket shown on any implement other than what it was made for. The fact that you are using something that does not require draft control does not mean that you do not use the Top Link Connection of the Draft Spring. There are very few implements that required you to use any other method of attachment other than the normal Top Link connection. As has been said, the Post Hole Borer/ a couple of mower models and that is more or less it. You DO NOT need one of these brackets normally or they would have supplied them with the tractor. The original Post Hole borer used one but the later ones used the long pin but with a "Y" shaped attachment on the PHB so the bracket was not required. The bracket was used not to prevent the Draft Control from working, as it wouldn't work anyway as the load was pulling at the Top Link, for the Draft Control to work it needs to push at the Top Link. The bracket was usually used to attach SOME non Ferguson implements that were made to fit any tractor and it was easier to use a bracket like this than alter the implement. Some Post Hole Borers did not use this type of attachment bracket at all and were attached to the normal Top Link connection. I would say that 99% of all implements that you will use with the tractors will never require a top link connection such as this and if it is necessary it will come with the implement as it is not a tractor part...John(UK)..fergusontractors@hotmail.com
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:02 am    Post subject: Re: Non draft control top link pin (a) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Now look at the can of worms I opened up. We've got people arguing over what the originals were made from, John is getting all riled up.....geesh. Laughing
I guess the bottom line is that I really don't need to worry about it 'cause I probably don't have an implement that would necessitate it's use.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: Non draft control top link pin (a) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I posted a picture of that bracket and its dimensions two years ago. Do a search on this forum of "Dearborn sickle mower" and from the list of topics it brings up look under the 4/21/11 date and you will find the pictures if you wish to make one yourself. By the way, they appear to be cast steel, not cast iron.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:47 am    Post subject: Re: Non draft control top link pin (a) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hi Inno,
What I can't understand about all this is when the tractors were being used full time, this topic would never have been mentioned. I don't understand what the problem is about Draft Control and non Draft Control and why it should suddenly surface. But as we have all noticed before these things can be mentioned and it causes everyone to suddenly asking questions that they have never thought about before..Have a Good Weekend..John(UK)
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:30 am    Post subject: Re: Non draft control top link pin (a) Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Somewhere on the forum I read about it's use and because I simply didn't know, I asked. It made sense to me that you would want a stronger top link attachment point for implements that would be suspended rather than ground engaging. Now I know that I need not worry about it. I do have a John Deere auger that thought might benefit from it but I probably won't worry about that now.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said "when these tractor were being used full time, this topic would never have been mentioned". If we were all using them full time we would probably have all the original attachments which came with each implement. As we are now getting tractors and implements from all over and in varying states of repair, often missing parts and documentation, we have to make a best guess based on what seems to make sense to us.
I am not sure who brought it up originally but I read it somewhere which got me thinking about it whic is what prompted me to post my question.
 
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