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mgriff543
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:14 pm    Post subject: 4000 Ultra Hi Crop Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I don't understand. Looks like about 8" of ground clearance. What is this used for?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:37 pm    Post subject: Re: 4000 Ultra Hi Crop Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That one appears to be stripped down. The ones I
have seen had a chemical tank and spray booms.
They were used to apply weedkiller to crops such as
corn that had already started growing tall.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:29 pm    Post subject: Re: 4000 Ultra Hi Crop Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hmmm... a '77 4000 with a new 4-cylinder diesel and 3600 decals... Somebody needs to put more work into their descriptions! Some of those really hi-crops started out as grape harvesters. This one doesn't look quite that tall, though.
That's just down the road a ways from one of my cousins...I better not look through the auction bill, or I might want to bid.
Sounder better not look either- there's a 6000 n/f right next to it!
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:56 am    Post subject: Re: 4000 Ultra Hi Crop Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The grape harvesters I've seen actually straddle the rows of vines, which that one couldn't do because of those cross braces between the rear wheels
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:27 am    Post subject: Re: 4000 Ultra Hi Crop Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Sean in PA wrote:
(quoted from post at 03:56:59 01/11/13) The grape harvesters I've seen actually straddle the rows of vines, which that one couldn't do because of those cross braces between the rear wheels


In the description it says "draw bar added" so the cross pieces would have been added to accommodate the draw bar. Note also the high position of the PTO.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:30 am    Post subject: Re: 4000 Ultra Hi Crop Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Fordfarmer wrote:
(quoted from post at 00:29:42 01/11/13) Hmmm... a '77 4000 with a new 4-cylinder diesel and 3600 decals... Somebody needs to put more work into their descriptions! Some of those really hi-crops started out as grape harvesters. This one doesn't look quite that tall, though.
That's just down the road a ways from one of my cousins...I better not look through the auction bill, or I might want to bid.
Sounder better not look either- there's a 6000 n/f right next to it!


It is hard to tell exactly what it is from the pictures.

Besides the 3600 decals, it also has the grill of the 2600/3600/4600 series. It also has the ccw tachometer of the '75 and up 2600/3600/4600 and later series.

It has the single sided steering box like the 4000/4600, so it's not likely a 3600 despite the decals, more likely a 4600.

Another oddity is that it looks to have a dual stick transmission like a 6 or 8 speed, but the sticker on the dash looks to be for the single stick 4 speed.

Also, it has the engine dipstick on the right hand side, which is wrong for all 3 cylinders from 1965 through 1990 as far as I know. Maybe the engine was swapped out at some point with one from a standalone generator or irrigation pump setup? Or did they make them with the dipstick on the right on some model that I'm not aware of?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:51 am    Post subject: Re: 4000 Ultra Hi Crop Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'd noticed the grill and tach as well. I missed the 4-speed decal. The steering box is likely a 4000/4600 piece, but it's a manual box with a 4000-style power assist cylinder, rather than an integral p/s box. Would be interesting to see the trumpets, to see if it has a single or double reduction rear end. With the ribbing on the side of the block, I assumed it was a BSD replacement engine, with the dipstick on the right like series 10 tractors.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: 4000 Ultra Hi Crop Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I've never seen a 10 series in person, so I wouldn't know for sure, but the parts lookup on Messicks site (The New Holland web site's parts lookup seems to be broken) shows the dipstick on the left for the3610, 3910 and the 4610.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:40 am    Post subject: Re: 4000 Ultra Hi Crop Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It's a well painted mutt... I would say from looking at it... it started life as a 3600 conversion built from a very basic skid. There is no hydraulics but it does use the single reduction rear end... suggesting it was a 3600 skid. Note the lack of differential lock pedal that would also have been present on all double reduction rear ends.
Add to that... the shif decals suggest it has the 6x4 manual reversing transmission.
The engine is a 10 series engine given that the block has external ribbing. That's not really a big thing given the number that pinholed over the years. Many just dropped a BSD engine in place of the bad engine... or at least changed out the block to the new style on rebuilding. The rest of it... sheet metal and all... looks to me like a 3600.
It is quite possible that the engine was upgraded to a BSD332 or 333 that would make the suggested 55 hp...

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:41 am    Post subject: Re: 4000 Ultra Hi Crop Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Rod, if you're only going by the lack of a differential lock pedal to determine that it has the single reduction rear end, then that might not be accurate. My '73 4000 has a double reduction rear end, yet it lacks the differential lock pedal, as well as the hole in the right side axle trumpet for the shaft, as well as the internal differential lock parts, as the differential lock was not standard on the '65-'75 4000 series, it was an option. Looking at the 4600 parts diagrams, the differential lock appears to have also been an optional on them as well, as it lists 2 different part numbers for the right axle trumpet, one with diff lock, and one without.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:10 pm    Post subject: Re: 4000 Ultra Hi Crop Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That may be... but I've never seen one without around here.
The housing looks to me like the lighter housing. PTO housing also appears to be for the mechanical PTO... and the shift lever for the PTO is clearly the sliding collar variety of the light rear end rather than the wet clutch control valve.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: 4000 Ultra Hi Crop Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Also note the pads for the radius rod sockets. Not on 4000's except SU.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: 4000 Ultra Hi Crop Reply to specific post Reply with quote

But non-SU 4600's DO have them.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:35 pm    Post subject: Re: 4000 Ultra Hi Crop Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Don't know if all models in the 10 series had the right hand dip sticks or not... or maybe they started that on the II's.
 
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