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Buying implements (toys) what should I pay?


 
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ndaircapt
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:06 am    Post subject: Buying implements (toys) what should I pay? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Im looking for a CCA field cultivator or tandem disc like a KBA or RWA to use on my 2 acre lot to establish a lawn and have a toy for my JD60. Plan to paint it and take it with my original 60 to the local "yesteryear" events too. Ive located several to potentially purchase. Most are asking around $500? Is this the normal rate for something like this? Im thinking more like $300 is closer to reality.

Here is my bigger problem, I dont have a pickup or a flatbed trailer so I need to pull it home with my car or run the tractor somewhere or have it delivered with purchase. I think people sense since I cant just "come and get it" that im an "suburban toy collector" and inflate the price looking to score. More than happy to pay a potential seller gas money to haul it to me in my location because they all need to come here to shop at sometime anyway,(closest city) but dont think im shelling out like $400 to deliver.

Suggestions to keep from getting gouged? or have the prices for this stuff went up?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:19 am    Post subject: Re: Buying implements (toys) what should I pay? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Stuff like this tends to follow the price of scrap iron, and scrap iron is way up the past 2 years.

Was at an auction last spring, and a old worthless row crop cultivator brought $400. Scrapper bought it. They used to go $50 for scrap on a good day.

Do you have clay or sandy soils? Field cultivator is better in clay and wet ground, disk is fine in sand. For what my opinion is worth.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:23 am    Post subject: Re: Buying implements (toys) what should I pay? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It's been a seller's market in most areas for a while now. Most buyers are loose on things like implements under a 1000 dollars. They just want to make their purchase and go. Same with tractors that generally price under 5000 dollars. The value in the market is in the class of tractors and implements that prices just above what I described.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:47 am    Post subject: Re: Buying implements (toys) what should I pay? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I agree with Paul. Weight x price of scrap iron. They usually sell for less because the scrappers buy them,haul them to the crusher and still make money.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:04 am    Post subject: Re: Buying implements (toys) what should I pay? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'd avoid the KBA. They're not good for much of anything, except maybe blocking a field road to stop trespassers. The RWA is nice and a BWA or BWF is better, but they're for late models. RW would be age appropriate to your 60 - nothing wider than 10 feet if you're planning on pulling a harrow behind.

I'd surely pay $500 for a GOOD disk. Make sure it has all the scrapers, no cracked or broken disks, and the bearings or bushings are tight, and the tires hold air. It's far better to pay more for a good one than to drag home a bad one and find out how much it's gonna cost to repair it. frankly, a smaller disk like that with shot bearings and cracked disks is gonna cost waaaaay more than $500 to fix - if you can even find parts.

Many smaller disks and other smaller pieces of equipment has found it's way yo China in the past 5 years. Unprepared scarp just broke 200 again around here. More is gonna go, unfortunately.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:15 am    Post subject: Re: Buying implements (toys) what should I pay? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

A small disk will bring more than a wide one. There are ten buyers for a 8 foot disk and 1 for a 12 foot one. The guys down below that tell you a good disk will bring scrap price are dreaming. Any good 8 or 10 foot disk will bring good money. An IH or Solid frame JD can easily break $1000 and real sharp one can go to $1500.

Some three point disk sometime go cheap but they usually are completely worn out.

So if you found good disk for $500 I would grab it before it is sold to some one. If it is not selling then something is wrong with it. Make sure it has ball bearings and not spool bearings. The spool type work but if they are worn out replacing them can be difficult to find the parts.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:28 am    Post subject: Re: Buying implements (toys) what should I pay? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yes prices have gone up.Visit local auctions to get a 'handle'.If everyone is asking 500,that is what your market is now.As others have said,500 is cheap if it is a good one."small" equipment is lots more 'valuable' than the bigger equipment because of all the food plotters,'weekend warriors',collectors,etc.Then the scrappers are putting a lot of pressure on the market
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:01 am    Post subject: Re: Buying implements (toys) what should I pay? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I find that a single implement or two out in front of a rural residence is the best way to buy an item. Course if there is no availability then one needs to go to a dealer and pay him his honest wages for finders fee, transportation, and some profit for him.

My last disc was a 3 pt (no tires to roll it home on) heavy duty, boxed frame, 6' disc in excellent condition, other than rust (big deal) for $400. I made no attempt to haggle (which I love to do) because I felt it was a good price and worth it. I had a tandem trailer and jury rigged it onto the trailer to get it home. Was a lucky find. Since I have retired and reduced my operation to the homestead, this fits right in with those plans and my current tractors with like sized wheelbases.

Another thing on that. I was driving on a road I seldom used and saw it sitting in the yard with FS sign. I continued to my destination and thought about it the whole time.....about an hour later I returned home and on the way stopped by and made the deal. My experience is you need to be ready if you come upon a good deal. To hesitate is to loose to another person who doesn't.

At a dealer it would probably run $700 at least and transportation would be extra.

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Mark
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: Buying implements (toys) what should I pay? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

A good disc,yes,I agree,but lets be realistic. A CCA field cultivator,scrap price. And the chance of finding that one owner KBA or RWA disc off a 40 acre stone free farm,always kept inside,even at noon? I think we know that's not what he's been looking at. What's out there are old beat up junk that are going to take two to make one good one.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:46 am    Post subject: Re: Buying implements (toys) what should I pay? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You know, this post brought up a point that gives me a pain I can't locate and it has to do with scrappers going to auctions. I know that all is fair in love and war but sometimes it's hard to pay what some of the scrap iron dealers give for old implements. And it is sad that a piece of equipment that could serve someone well as a useful addition to their lineup of implements is going to be cut up and sold for scrap. The scrapper has no use for the stuff he buys except to make a buck. And another thing, they don't care if a piece of equipments is rare and hard to come by. I tried to buy a disk at auction but was outbid by a scrapper. He will make about a 10% profit when he cuts up the disk. I would have to out bid him THEN put a lot of money into the disk to make it serviceable but at least the disk would still lived. I couldn't afford to outbid the scrapper AND put the money into the disk to fix it up.
I wish that scrappers could only come in after the fact and get the stuff that was indeed junk or beyond repair. To bad though, that just ain't the way the world works.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Buying implements (toys) what should I pay? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Last year I probably bought and sold 5 or 6 JBA and one KBA (12'). The best useable JBA went for $425 and the KBA for $600. Sold 3 CCA,s from $125-$250. I have a cute little 6 1/2 ' CCA right now that I got for $80 , wouldn't sell for any less than $400. One this small and nice is rare around here. Plan on keeping it for myself. Most I have paid for JBA is $200. Paid $200 for the KBA but I buy to make profit and keep the best ones.



 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Buying implements (toys) what should I pay? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Oh my this equipment issue is going to be getting worse and worse. Scrap is a very small sum compared to what a new implement costs. This is going to hurt small farmers real bad. Costs are going to go up and up. There are many places int the world where people would nott know how to act if they had most of the machinery that gets cut up. Waste, Big time.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Buying implements (toys) what should I pay? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks for the insight guys, I'll post for you what I purchase when I do.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Buying implements (toys) what should I pay? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Why not get a auto towing company with one of those ubiquitious Jerr-Dan flatbed car haulers to haul the disk? I bought a 10' bushhog a few years ago about 20 miles from my home. I got a guy with one of those Jerr-Dan rigs to pick it up and deliver it...the price was quite reasonable.

Line up the hauler, go make the deal and don't offer any information that would entice the seller to raise or not negotiate the price. Once the deal is made, call the hauler and your problem is solved.
 
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