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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:26 pm    Post subject: paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

has anybody sprayed vansickle paint before. If so whats your opinions on it saw it today thought aout using it on a tractor
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:57 am    Post subject: Re: paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

(LOok at the Farmall IH forum.) I used it, and it developed a white film, sittinginside the barn,. Never again, I went with the Casse IH paint.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:45 am    Post subject: Re: paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Curious. Did the white film develop after the paint was already dried or as you were painting it. Sometimes a fast drying paint will develop a cloudy film over the surface when painting in humid weather called blush. From what I understand the Vansickle Tractor Paint is a acrylic enamel and would be subject to blush.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:45 am    Post subject: Re: paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Van Sickle makes both Alkyd Enamel and Acrylic Enamel. Their Alkyd enamel comes in 2 different grades. Van Sickle also manufactures Tisco enamel which I have used and like for a non-automotive grade paint. All of these products can and should be used with a catalyst hardener.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:36 am    Post subject: Re: paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Local dealer sells only the "premium" version or whatever they call it of Van Sickle. I think that would be the second version, you mention, but there is no explanation on the can. It is probably an "acrylic modified" alkyd enamel that some of the tractor dealers sell. If so it has some UV protection. But, I simply don't trust the paint sold by farm stores and will continue with PPG Omni urethane, I know what I am getting when I buy that. DuPonts and Martin Senours versions of urethane are ok too. Hardeners require a supplied air system, hardeners are required by all urethanes.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:16 am    Post subject: Re: paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It is listed as an Acrylic Enamel. It is their premium fleet paint. I believe it to be comparable to Dupont Centari.


 


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

There isn't any acrylic enamel equivalent to Centari, unless it is by PPG, etc. How much is Van Sickle? I imagine Centari is around $300/gallon plus. It is very good paint, better than PPG Omni or Dupont Nason urethanes. Van Sickle or any other cheap paint cannot be expected to be as good as the major brands. It should be better than alkyd enamel, but I have seen cheap acrylics to fade fairly soon, noteably a acrylic enamel painted trailer I bought a few years ago.
 


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Van Sickle seems to make 3 grades of Tractor/Fleet paint, two alkyds and an acrylic.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:43 pm    Post subject: Re: paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Van Sickle is also terrible to deal with - the rep I was communicating with didn't seem to know the difference between acrylic and alkyd, and sent me to three distributors for more info, none of who turned out to carry the stuff. Sometimes you run into a company that makes you wonder how they can stay in business.

Oh, the only price info I could pry out of them was that the acrylic is about double the price of the alkyd. That works out to $66 or so.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:38 pm    Post subject: Re: paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

For the money it was fine. I shot my stock trailer with it this fall. Fairly tough, layed down well, and have a really good shine. My stock trailer is inside so I didn't have to worry about weathering.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:12 am    Post subject: Re: paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Correction: Found a dealer who actually carries the Ag & Fleet acryic and they say it's $112 a gallon.

Trojan Specialty Products- 1-800-279-1770

It is a true acrylic, not an acrylic modified alkyd.

So the search for a reasonably priced alternative to alkyd goes continues...
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

kylemorley wrote:
(quoted from post at 12:12:35 01/31/13) Correction: Found a dealer who actually carries the Ag & Fleet acryic and they say it's $112 a gallon.

Trojan Specialty Products- 1-800-279-1770

It is a true acrylic, not an acrylic modified alkyd.

So the search for a reasonably priced alternative to alkyd goes continues...


That is a reasonably priced Acrylic Enamel... Dupont Centari is $150 a gallon plus. I'm quite sure the 'Reds' will cost more.

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DuPont Centari Pitch Black 99A (Gallon) $150.30


DuPont Centari is a three-component, 5.0 VOC, acrylic enamel topcoat that is a versatile topcoat that delivers good appearance and durability.
Designed for overall applications DuPont Centari is compatible with all DuPont OEM / Commercial Finishes primers




 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Here is what I found out today. The acrylic enamel is a relatively new product for Van Sickle. That is why there is a shortage of information about the new paint.

I talked to a Hardware Store Dealer for Van Sickle on the phone and they had to call their distributor, which in turn called corporate to get prices.

A gallon of Van Sickle Black Acrylic Enamel #18171 is $90.99 in Missouri. I had them price Black so it would be comparable to the price I was quoted for Centari's Black @ $150.

I also retrieved some of this information from Van Sickle corporate sales via e-mail.

I believe by the time you add catalyst and reducer, you would save about $100 over the DuPont Centari. It also appears, since the catalyst and the reducer is the same cost for Alkyd Enamel, that you could paint with Van Sickle's Acrylic Enamel for about $50-$60 over the cost of the alkyd enamel. In my opinion, that is not to bad for the improvement in gloss, color retention, and hardness the Acrylic Enamel should deliver over the Alkyd.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:47 am    Post subject: Re: paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Steven Newell = The Van S paint developed the white film sitting inside the barn, out of the sun, over many months, maybe 6 - 8 months. initiqlly it went on perfect, no runs no drips no errors, but s I went back to admire what I"d done I began to see the film. Nothing in tha air, no smoke, no heat, no anything else.... no heat in the barn, and it happened on each and every of maybe 20 cans of spray Van Sickle, over a 6 month period.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:25 am    Post subject: Re: paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

FBH44 wrote:
(quoted from post at 04:47:22 02/01/13) Steven Newell = The Van S paint developed the white film sitting inside the barn, out of the sun, over many months, maybe 6 - 8 months. initiqlly it went on perfect, no runs no drips no errors, but s I went back to admire what I"d done I began to see the film. Nothing in tha air, no smoke, no heat, no anything else.... no heat in the barn, and it happened on each and every of maybe 20 cans of spray Van Sickle, over a 6 month period.


You painted a tractor with rattle cans and you are mad because you didn't get a quality final product?
 
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