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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:59 pm    Post subject: Allis Chalmers 416 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I bought an AC 416H with Kohler 16 hp engine. The machine operates but there is a lot of work to be done to get it in good shape. I was under the impression that Simplicity built this tractor however I have been told that another company built this tractor for AC. Do any of you know who built it? It has a blade but no deck and I am planning on making a show tractor out of it.
Thanks for your help.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Allis Chalmers 416 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It was made by allis chalmers themselves, the 400 and 300 series were the only series allis chalmers made themselves, simplicity made the rest for them, I have a 410 allis same tractor, just a little smaller deck and motor great little tractor, you will not be disappointed, you'll want another one like me, I bought a snowblower for mine this year and makes me love running it even more. It will be a good machine, would like to see pictures if you get time to share thanks.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:48 am    Post subject: Re: Allis Chalmers 416 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Goto link below,spend some time at website,info posted there may be of interest/help to you.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Allis Chalmers 416 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Copied directly from Simple Tractors website history

"From 1965 to 1983, the Allis-Chalmers Corporation owned Simplicity Manufacturing.

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During the 1950’s, the United States became increasingly suburban, creating the need for riding lawn mowers. The major farm equipment manufacturers wanted to expand into this new market. John Deere and International Harvester designed and built their own machines. The others opted to buy from a firm with an existing product line to re-label as their own. Allis-Chalmers went with Simplicity Manufacturing. In 1961 the first Allis-Chalmers garden tractor, the 7.25 horsepower B-1, was born. Except for paint, decals and minor sheet metal changes, it was identical to the Simplicity 725. In 1963, the B-1 was replaced by the 9 horsepower B-10. In 1965 the B-10 became the Big-10 with a new 10 horsepower engine. In 1966, the Big Ten reverted back to the B-10 when the new B-12 was introduced. Up until 1971 all Allis garden tractors were painted yellow and were powered by Briggs engines.

During 1965, Allis-Chalmers purchased Simplicity. The federal government challenged the purchase. Due to the fair trade laws in effect at that time, the government claimed that Allis-Chalmers controlled too great a share of the market and thus limited competition. As a result, in 1967, Allis-Chalmers opened a new plant in Lexington, South Carolina to build garden tractors. The first models built there were the B-207, B-110, B-112 and HB-112. The B-208, B-210, B-212, and HB-212 were introduced in 1970.

Simplicity tractors continued to be built in Port Washington, but for the first time there were differences besides paint and decals. In 1971, the 300 series introduced many design changes. The body was painted orange and the hoods painted cream, and Kohler engines were used for the first time. In 1973 the similar 400 series was introduced. These tractors bore little resemblance to the Port Washington built Simplicity models. The mower decks and many of the attachments were different. Also in 1971, the B-207 and B-208 were updated to the new paint scheme, but retained Briggs power. The 206, 207, and 208 were continued as the Homesteader series from 1972 to 1974. Also in 1972, Allis-Chalmers introduced the model 616, which was the Simplicity PowrMax with orange paint and a different hood. The 616 became the 620 in 1973 with the new 20 horsepower engine. In 1975 the 620 was relabeled as the 720 to match the numbering of the updated smaller tractors. To the best of our knowledge the 620 and 720 models are identical except that the later 720’s had an upgraded front axle. AC later came out with a second model 616, which was a painted over Simplicity 4216 and had no relation to the earlier “PowrMax” 616.

During the Nixon administration, most of the fair trade laws were repealed, so in 1973 Allis-Chalmers closed the Lexington plant and transferred all production back to Port Washington. Once again, AC and Simplicity Garden tractors became identical except for paint and decals, although certain individual models may or may not have had an exact Simplicity counterpart."

There is a lot more but there are some dates to explain things
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:07 am    Post subject: Re: Allis Chalmers 416 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I will agree all of them were simplicity's except the 300 and 400 series, they were built in North Carolina, by allis chalmers themselves, then they must of figured it was easier for someone to build them for them, they went back to simplicity win the 600, 700 and 900 series.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Allis Chalmers 416 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I also havea 416 that I was told was a 1972.My dad gave it to me in about 1996. I ran it about 8 years until the governor let go and the balance shaft broke out the side of the block. Mine was hydrostatic. My neighbor gave me a 414, which was about the same, except with a 14 horse Kohler instead of a 16hp. The 414 had a belt drive mechanical transmission with a variable speed provided by adjustable sheave widths.
I transplanted the 14 hp into mine and ran it about5 years until the rod broke. Both engines were using a lot of oil when they blew. I just parked the tractor and it still sits there.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Allis Chalmers 416 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Where are you located, do they both have holes in the block? I'd like to have a 414 and 416 then I'd have all the 400 series tractors.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Allis Chalmers 416 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Grundy Center Iowa.
I only have the 14 horse engine. It does not have a hole in the block. I got rid of most of the components of the 414. What I have left of the 416 has been mostly used up. Let me know if you are interested.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Allis Chalmers 416 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Well if there not all there I don't know how interested I am, and your about three hours from me. I'll keep you in mind, if I decide I'm interested I'll make a new post on here and ask for you. Might be a good next year project if you still have them next year I might be asking you about them again.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: Allis Chalmers 416 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Ok, let me know
 
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