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MF rules Regular
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:05 pm Post subject: Wanted: hydraulic front wheel drive for farm tractor |
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Looking for a complete front wheel drive axle assembly that
would fit an John deere 4430 or international 1066 size tractor.
Want to put it on a Massey 1155. Thanks |
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paul Tractor Guru
Joined: 25 Dec 1997 Posts: 19158
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: Wanted: hydraulic front wheel drive for farm tractor |
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No you don't, not if what I hear about them I's true.
;)
Don't know of any, sorry I'm not being helpful here. But, seriously, never heard much good about those setups? They weren't around long....
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Janicholson Tractor Guru
Joined: 30 Jan 2004 Posts: 18237 Location: St. Cloud, MN
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Wanted: hydraulic front wheel drive for farm tractor |
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THe control of the tire surface speed is near impossible with a hydraulic drive. Not that it cant be controlled, but it isnt directly proportioned to ground speed of the rear tires. It could be with a hydrostatic system, and computer and sensor based evaluation of ground speed. but that is going to cost more than a 4X4 tractor.
(because it would need to be developed)
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Bob Tractor Guru
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Wanted: hydraulic front wheel drive for farm tractor |
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Of course, it the wheel motors were fed from a constant pressure closed-center hydraulic system like the Deere units on the 4430"s and 4630"s (etc.) were the front wheels would contribute a constant pull/torque and the gpm hyd. flow/derived speed wouldn"t be an issue. |
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MN Scott Tractor Expert
Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 2060 Location: Preston, MN
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Wanted: hydraulic front wheel drive for farm tractor |
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Here's one in MN.
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Janicholson Tractor Guru
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Wanted: hydraulic front wheel drive for farm tractor |
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Other than when one pushes in the clutch! It seems like a very good way to make heat in a hydraulic system as well as the complexity of a system that will be parasitic nearly all the time. Not my idea of best practice. Jim |
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Bob Tractor Guru
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Wanted: hydraulic front wheel drive for farm tractor |
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With the Deere "closed center" system, oil heating was NOT a problem. I forget how Deere cut the power to the hydraulic FWA when the clutch was depressed... will have to look at the service manual tomorrow. Bottom line was the it was NOT as powerful as a mech FWD, but ASSISTED and did a reasonable job thereof. Biggest problem was oil leaks/hose failures. |
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4020guy Regular
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: Wanted: hydraulic front wheel drive for farm tractor |
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The "clutching" was made possible by 3 solenoid valves and micro switches. These also controlled the high torque[hydraulics in parallel] and low torque[hydraulics in series] settings for the axel. The system on the Deere 20,30, and 40 series probably worked better in theory than in actuality even with the 4 cubic inch per revolution close centre pump. Combine hydrostats operate at much higher pressures so had alot more torque. MF rules, I think it would be quite a project but I would be afraid it would have disappointing results. Ever consider an older 4 wheel articulated?....Ron |
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Tx Jim Tractor Guru
Joined: 14 Feb 1999 Posts: 13153 Location: Coyote Flats,Tx
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:13 am Post subject: Re: Wanted: hydraulic front wheel drive for farm tractor |
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| Bob wrote: | | (quoted from post at 23:35:23 02/04/13) With the Deere "closed center" system, oil heating was NOT a problem. . |
The only reason I see why "no heating of hyd oil problem" on a HFWA would be the limited amount of time the HFWA was engaged. The orbit motors on implements such as a JD 700 rake will definitely heat the oil on a closed center system |
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