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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:47 pm    Post subject: Case VAC pullers Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Do Case VAC make a good light pullers in 3000 to 4000 class?

Some people tell me they pull good up threw 4000 but the vacs that ive seen only pull good in 3000 then run out of power in 3500.

There was a vac that pulled in a 3250 class in a natpa pull in kansas but finished last way behind the lead and i thought that would be a good class for him.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Case VAC pullers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

My VAC works good in those Classes!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:40 am    Post subject: Re: Case VAC pullers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That would't be the one Mel put a 201 into is it? Whether it is or not a 201 is not legal in NATPA.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: Case VAC pullers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Very hard to run with 400+ cid B John Deere's with a VAC. Not enough room for much stroke in them. In my opinion a VAC needs to stay in the 2750 or 3000# class. The VAC you are talking about I know well and it does good at that weight. The trouble with a VAC also is weight, you have to get pretty aggressive on stripping to get a VAC light. Also the gearing is pretty fast when going to 38" tires and keeping the speed down. I am from Missouri and it is the show me state and I would have to see for my self a VAC with a stock block be competitive in 4000# class. NATPA won't allow a 201 in a VAC. That would make one get up with the leaders.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: Case VAC pullers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Is the 201 engine considered USAP legal?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: Case VAC pullers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It should be! Their rules say, if it is the same no. of cylinders, mfg and will bolt in.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Case VAC pullers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Doug

No the VA mEL put a 201 in is DON FISHERS that have pulled in the past and you can not compare to a VAC anymore other than sheet metal !

I was talking about my VAC that I built to pull local pulls and dose well in 3000 3500 but is a little out powered in 4000 noncut but can get a win now and then!
My VAC has a NATPA WIN in 3000 Div 2 and a second in 3250 div 3 at tallmadge Oh but that's a weak track com paired to the other NATPA Tracks I been to!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Case VAC pullers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Vic

The 201 won't bolt in with out drilling and taping the block to make fit!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Case VAC pullers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Eldo

I Been to most of the NATPA PULLS this year and lead the points most of the year in 3250 and 3500 Div 3 with my Farmall Super C and I know my VAC Would be in trouble compaired to the JD Bs that I pull agents with my Super C with out a lot of $ spent on it!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Case VAC pullers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Cliff I know a guy that put a combine motor in a 300. He said it bolted right in. A 300 is old enough isn't it?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Case VAC pullers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Vic

In usap it may be old enough but NATPA says production start 1959 and older for div 1,2,2t and 1957 and older for div 3,4

The other problem with the 201 is its longer block and that changes the wheelbase and that's a no no.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:55 am    Post subject: Re: Case VAC pullers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Unfortunately, the don't allow different deck height, even if bolt in like my 403 MM (unless it is a John Deere, then apparently it's ok). They also can't use a longer engine (Olie 77/88, Case VAC/201, IH 560/Red Dismond) unless Division 5.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: Case VAC pullers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I was the guy with the VAC at Wichita in the 3250 Div 3 class that finished in last place. My VAC does relatively well in local "brush" pulls up to 3250. In a 2750 class it is definitely at its best. The Wichita pull was the first passes I made after basically rebuilding the tractor from the bellhousing back. Dad and I had just installed the 12/67 pinion and bull gears thinking it would really help it out in the 3250 class. They didn"t make as much difference as I had hoped they would. It was like bringing a knife to a gun fight. The tractor come out of gear on the first pass, and the second pass it ran out of power. I would think it would do better in the Div 2 3000 pound class, but you are still at a disadvantage to other tractors that are bigger even if they are kept stock cubic inches. I don"t even know if that is where it would belong. With me being over 200 pounds, it isn"t possible to make 2500 for me. It boils down to how much you want to spend on one and who shows up to pull in your class. For a low dollar puller, I think my VAC does as well as any other VAC I have ever seen other than a 201 powered rig, but even if I wanted to spend to money to bore and stroke an engine, a VAC isn"t where I would put my money.
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