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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:58 pm    Post subject: Too small to bail? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'm looking at a 4410 with a snow blower attachment to clean up a large driveway in winter but would also want to use it in summer to bail. I would be pulling around a 14T and a wagon with 120-130 small square bails when loaded. This is a 34HP deisel 4WD with 3 range hydrostatic. pretty flat fields, only a mild grade. Is this asking too much from such a small rig?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Too small to bail? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yep, asking too much. Asking for trouble!
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Too small to bail? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

dad used to bale with a 50 and a 14T on hilly terrain. never had a problem but the hydrostatic on this tractor may be a problem, heating up and failing.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Too small to bail? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

My Dad baled with a JD 50 on hilly terrain as well. I used his equipment for many years when I started farming.. long ago. The 4410 would probably handle your requirements HP and weight wise. But as has already been suggested, I'm not sure the hydrostatic drive was made for this work. I would check with your John Deere dealer. I've been told by a JD service manager/technical specialist that the design life for a hydrostatic is around 2500 hours... but pulling a baler and loaded wagon????? Does it have a transmission oil cooler... ????
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Too small to bail? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

My Dad baled with a JD 50 on hilly terrain as well. I used his equipment for many years when I started farming.. long ago. The 4410 would probably handle your requirements HP and weight wise. But as has already been suggested, I'm not sure the hydrostatic drive was made for this work. I would check with your John Deere dealer. I've been told by a JD service manager/technical specialist that the design life for a hydrostatic is around 2500 hours... but pulling a baler and loaded wagon????? Does it have a transmission oil cooler... ????
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Too small to bail? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Well since others compare apples to oranges I would do it this way to be sure.
How heavy is that tractor?? Then figure the baler is 3000lbs and then if your going to pull a wagon behind it figure the wagon empty is 1500lbs. Add 3000 plus 1500 and you get 4500 lbs is that more then the tractor is or less?? If more the tractor is to small to have the wagon on behind. If less then figure out how many bales it will hold and how much each bale is. If the weight then is more then the tractor it is to much for it.
As for HP that tractor will handle the baler just fine it is the weight factor that will cause you to get hurt or dead
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Too small to bale? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Depends on the size of your bucket, the size of the hole in the boat, and the depth of the pond...

Oh, you mean baling bales with a baler?? Sorry, it's a common mistake and I'm just ribbing you.

I'd be real nervous about pulling all that with a 35 hp tractor. If you were dropping them on the ground, it wouldn't even be an issue. That rack behind you is gonna be the trouble... Your talking about adding up to 4 tons of wagon and hay. Frankly, I wouldn't consider pulling that rig with that tractor on my farm.
 


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Too small to bail? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'm sure the 4410 would do it given the right grade and ground conditions but this is definitely not a safe arrangement. A little more tractor than you need is always a good investment.
 
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