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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:04 pm    Post subject: Pioneer Corn ideas Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Just wondering about a good Pioneer corn to grow this year, i do NOT want a silage corn, but something that stays below 10 foot tall and has a good ear on it for picking. I shell most of it and sell to deer hunters. I'm not familiar with pioneer enough to know what is good and what to stay away from.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Pioneer Corn ideas Reply to specific post Reply with quote

This will end up being a 'Chevy vs Ford' discussion and you won't get much useful info I predict, but at least you need to give some sort of location or day rating of the corn you need or the soil type you have and so forth. Do you need a flex ear or not? And so forth.

Pioneer didn't ever work real well on the yellow wet cold clay I have, falls over and drops ears bad. But it works better than what I plant in other soil types, or climates so its not a good or bad corn, just has its places. I might look for a 95 to 105 corn in my MN climate, donno what you need where ever you are?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Pioneer Corn ideas Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Lot of variables here.

Where are you located, what kind of soil are you going into, row width etc.

Actually good yielding corn for grain will also produce tonnage as silage, at least from the numbers I remember seeing.

Best suggestion I have is contact your local Pioneer dealer. Hopefully you have a good one and he is willing to help educate you. This should be a slow time for him. Almost all of the customers who are doing this for a living have made their orders. Discounts are pretty well done and deliveries haven't started yet. Remember most of his or her customers deal in pallets of seed so your one or two bags are more of a favor on his part. Also without any discounts expect to pay about $300 a bag.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Pioneer Corn ideas Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Like I have said before,you NEED to talk to your LOCAL Pioneer dealer.He will have recomendations as to what will work best for your needs,climate,soils,area....He knows.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:58 am    Post subject: Re: Pioneer Corn ideas Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Just like Delta Red said talk to your local seed dealer. What are your roil samples telling you ANY seed needs good soil. There has to be a seed dealer somewhere in your area that willbe glad to help. Use your computer and you can find HIM.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:23 am    Post subject: NE Indiana Hybrid Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have no idea where you live, but we LOVE 35K01 on our farm. It has been the yield leader the past two years.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:39 am    Post subject: Re: Pioneer Corn ideas Reply to specific post Reply with quote

"...expect to pay about $300 a bag." Which I why I'm going to Open Pollinated corn.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: Pioneer Corn ideas Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Bret4207 wrote:
(quoted from post at 08:39:30 02/16/13) "...expect to pay about $300 a bag." Which I why I'm going to Open Pollinated corn.


But seed cost is a tiny part of the total cost of corn production, even at $300/80,000. I have tried some test plots of OP, with more modern methods than my grandfather used, The numbers don't work, the yields simply aren't there. I would have to get a 75% premium for the corn to make sense.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:46 am    Post subject: Re: Pioneer Corn ideas Reply to specific post Reply with quote

don't know wht maturity you are looking for but Pioneer is really falling short in the 100 day and less maturities around here. Titan Pro has some reasonably priced varieties as does Albert Lea seed House. Never planted any corn from Albert Lea but the Titan keeps up with the higher priced competition. Open polinated is great if you like your corn lodged and tangled at harvest time. There's a reason serious corn producers went to hybrids in the 40's and 50's. How many years ago was that?
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:31 am    Post subject: Re: Pioneer Corn ideas Reply to specific post Reply with quote

To add to what RG Martin said.

Yup you can plant the OP corn and get 100 Bushels per acre. At $5 abu. thats $500.

Or you can plant the pioneer at $120 an acre for seed and get 150 bushels an acre. That equates to $750 an acre. $250 more than the OP.

You couldn"t get the op for free and be ahead.

Just making sure you think it all through.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:09 am    Post subject: Re: Pioneer Corn ideas Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I've planted OP corn. It doesnt work....Sure it gets
tall,with forearm size ears at shoulder hight.But it
all falls over and will not dry down.Sure seed
prices are through the roof,but a high yeilding
hybrid is a 'cheap' seed(cost vs return).I would not
plant OP if you gave me the seed....Steve
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:23 am    Post subject: Re: Pioneer Corn ideas Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Nothing wrong with OP if that is what you want to do.

As the others say, think it through.

I see on this site a fella has a year old bag of OP for sale for $75.

I can buy some Dekalb older but good corn for $250-275.

Or my small seed breeder I buy most of my corn from at $220-230.

I can get non-traited (non-gmo) hybred corn from them for $90-120 a bag.

All of these corns will get me 175-225 bu an acre depending on my soil and rainfall.

The OP corn will top out at 85-125 bu an acre.

Be sure you get what you pay for. If you are just putting in an acre for the deer to eat, or just planting for fun, or have some ground that probably won't yield any corn but you want to plant it anyhow, then nothing wrong with the OP. Or if you want to save your own seed, or organic heirloom type of stuff, nothing wrong with picking OP to grow. In some cases OP will outyield the hybreds for silage, so another good reason to look at growing them.

But only just, if the cost of the bag of seed is what you are looking at, you might really hurt your yields and income...

That $90 bag of untraited hybred corn is going to yield a lot more than the $75 OP bag of corn....

Paul
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Pioneer Corn ideas Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I think its interesting that guys come on here fairly often asking a legitimate question, but don't give nearly enough information, then NEVER post back with the additional info needed. Do they post, then never even come back to see the results?

A guy the other day was talking about hauling a Case backhoe in the Seattle area- I inquired about specifically where he needed it hauled to and from, because I go to that area fairly often with a trailer that would handle it- but nary a peep.

Kinda like the Craigslist ads where they give a phone no., then will never answer or return calls.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Pioneer Corn ideas Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Mike (WA) wrote:
(quoted from post at 16:45:56 02/16/13) I think its interesting that guys come on here fairly often asking a legitimate question, but don't give nearly enough information, then NEVER post back with the additional info needed. Do they post, then never even come back to see the results?

A guy the other day was talking about hauling a Case backhoe in the Seattle area- I inquired about specifically where he needed it hauled to and from, because I go to that area fairly often with a trailer that would handle it- but nary a peep.

Kinda like the Craigslist ads where they give a phone no., then will never answer or return calls.


Lots of Trolls on the internet. They ask questions and the forum will go crazy. Like a pond full of piranhas.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Pioneer Corn ideas Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You have GOT to talk to your nearest dealer. What works here will not even be on your seed guide unless you are in within 100 miles.
 
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