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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:42 am    Post subject: Redneck Mini-Project, a New motorcycle and everything else Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Goodmorning everyone!!

No, I've been here!! I havent gone anywhere :)

You guys are awesome tho, I love this forum!! Nice to know I was missed, haha...

I've been super busy lately... As you know, Im going to school second shift at the Hobart Institute of Welding in Troy, Ohio... I absolutely love it there, the other students are really cool, the instructors are awesome, and I actually look forward to going to school now, for the first time since like second grade, haha...

But, this keeps my busy from ~2 in the afternoon, to around midnight... Its a 70 mile commute for me, and the whole thing is totally worth it but it is a serious time commitment...

Annnnyway, I usually do something shop related on the weekends, but last weekend I picked up a "new" bike...

A little while back (last spring), I bought a KLR250 from a buddy of mine... But, it had some issues, and being a 250 it was honestly kind of on the slow side for our wide, flat open back roads, but it was the first bike I ever rode, and I realized that I really liked Dual-Sports when I had it...

I ended up selling it, but I always wanted the 650 version... And once it got cold out, I started religiously checking craigslist, as in a couple times a day. The beautiful thing is, that bike prices here drop by a third to half in the winter... Then shoot back up in the spring... Honestly, if I had thousands of dollars laying around, I'd buy up a few motorcycles NOW, give them a tune up and then sell them in may when it warms up and people start buying again for a nice profit...

But anyway, I found a craigslist add for a 2006 KLR650 that was about an hour away for $2000 obo... I started talking to the guy, and he sent me some pictures... It looked clean, had a good title, and came with a few extra things (tire, windshield, etc). I decided it was worth a trip to check it out...

Long story short, I drove out there and found his place, and we looked at the bike... It has a few scratches, but it was clean and un-molested, everything was there and it was in the single digits that morning. The bike was totally cold, but cranked over for two revolutions and came to life... The aftermarket pipe sounded awesome, and I took it for a "test ride" which really just comprised of my neck and fingers going numb while I ran it through the gears, did a "U" turn and opened it up coming back. I would have liked to riden it more, but everything worked and I made it back to the guy's heated garage and thawed out, haha...

I negotiated with him a little, and brought the bike home.

It's not perfect tho, the tires were worn out (front had a little life left, but the back one was bald), and the brakes weren't the best...

But I was totally pleased with the bike. The guy didnt really know much about it (just like the guy wes bought that KLR250 off)... He said it was his commuter bike, he rode it 50 miles a day to work with his lunch in the tank bag... But, he now has a couple kids and since he cant fit himself, all this stuff, both kids and their stuff on the back of the bike, he ends up driving his car anyway and the bike just sits... Atleast thats the story I heard...

I've got a lot planned for this bike... Another skid plate, some engine guards, possibly custom panniers, etc... It's gonna be fun...

The bike itself, is very easy to handle, except in the wind... Its tall, and top heavy, and acts like a sail... Which is bad, because we have HUGE amounts of wind where I live, but I've read that removing the front fender and hand guards work wonders in the wind... Plus, someone told me that putting one knee out to catch wind acts like a sail pulling the bike the other way in the wind, which I've gotten to try, and it DOES seem to help...

Anyway, I think its a blast to ride... The single-cylinder 650 is powerful, but very mellow, predictable, and controllable, and I'd say performance wise, its not much different than the Shadow 500 I have (V-twin)... I really like it...

So, thats what I spent last weekend on, haha... I've worked on a few things lately, such as the V8 tractor project (I'll include that video), we got the engine all taken apart and cleaned up. I had to make a custom harmonic balancer puller, but we finally got that removed...

I also made some custom redneck tire-spoons... I got a set of Shinko 705's for the KLR, because they're cheap and get good reviews...

But, I knew I'd have to install them... All the local places wanted $70 or more, and that was if I brought them the wheels...

So, I called up my mechanic buddy, and he said he'd done plenty of tires... I just needed some tire spoons and a valve stem tool, and he'd be more than willing to help, which was awesome of him...

I knew from my time working at TSC that they sold tire spoons, so I went out to pick a couple of them up... But then I saw they were THIRTY DOLLARS EACH!! And I needed three of them...

Holy cow, hmmm... Come to think of it, I dont think I ever sold or stocked a single tire spoon in the 9 months I worked at that store, I guess I know why haha...

Anyway, my first thought was to shape my own from some 1" flat bar stock at the house, but I knew that would just be mild steel, and I wanted something better.

So, I wandered over to the tool isle and picked up three pry-bars for $6 and $7 a piece... I found one that I thought would be perfect, but that was the only one they had in stock, so I got two more as well....

I brought them home, traced out a radius on the end, and plasma cut them round...

Then I took an abrasive wheel on my angle grinder to smooth out my cuts, and as soon as the grinder hit, I knew I wasn't working with mild steel, SWEET!

The sparks were bright with a TON of flair, I knew this was some kind of hardened tool steel, and I was thrilled, I really hoped they weren't just hardened mild steel...

Anyway, I rounded them off and then went over them with an 80 grit flap wheel to remove any tube-slicing burrs and about that time Danny arrived...

We picked up half of the bike at a time with my chain hoist (thanks again, Rich!!), and had those tires off and on in no time...

I think the new tires are a HUGE improvement, and the new brake pads are awesome as well... I still think that front tire is on there bass-ack-wards, but we mounted it according to the "ROTATION" arrow, so oh well, lol...

How'd the redneck tire spoons work? Awesomely... Only problem was, they're a little "thick" so I think I'll grind a little "meat" off the backsides of them, to thin them down a little, then cover everything in oil so they won't rust...

Anyway, this is what I've been up to lately...

I'm surprised you all missed me, haha... Thats really pretty cool... Yes, the comments posted here by someone hiding behind an anonymous name were irrating, but I didn't take them very seriously... It wasn't really a real "attack" from someone online, just someone trolling the forum, looking for a response. He brought up a legitimate point about how I acquire tools, welders, etc on a review basis, but I addressed that for the benefit of everyone else on the forum, then let him have his fun trolling about, I don't have time to deal with that kind of thing anymore...

Butttt, I get harsher words almost daily from various YouTube trolls and occasionally on other forums as well, but after posting regularly online since 2007, I've heard a lot by now and each day, it bothers me less and less, I don't lose sleep over people who just try to provoke a reaction anymore, life's too short :)

Annd yes, I spent the 14th with this really nice girl I've been talking to, but no lady-friend for me, haha... Usually anytime I end up in a "serious" relationship, it blows up in my face and in the end, was more trouble than it was worth, so I just kind of gave up on that for the time being....

Thanks anyway, you guys... I really like this forum...

I'm sure I'll have more to post here soon, I'm off to shoot some videos today.

Thanks for reading/watching, everyone have a nice weekend, Yeeeehaw!! Smile








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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:23 am    Post subject: Re: Redneck Mini-Project, a New motorcycle and everything el Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Excellent choice of motorcycle. Very practical.

You should be able to pick up a set of motorcycle tire irons very reasonably at any motorcycle shop. Oh well. If you do this again you might want to get a set of rim protectors so you don't bugger up your wheels with your homemade tire irons.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:30 am    Post subject: Re: Redneck Mini-Project, a New motorcycle and everything el Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thats a pretty serious update, I'll have to peruse through it later, but was going to comment on the 650, my friend has a DR 400, its a fun ride on 2 wheels as I'll always take it for a spin when he's around, be careful, 650 in one can, I still have my old 650 maxim's, which I thought had pretty decent power, not an 1100 of the day, but ...

Pry bars, I would assume those are hardened through or just so much on depth, if so is their a problem with removing the hardened portion and if you really pried on something, would it break ?

I had to get 2 of those spoons the wavy drop center type I think you call it and the regular spoon, quickly figured out how to make good use of them, one job paid for em I suppose, but I think I've done 2-3 more repairs, no matter how you do it, definitely need these for tire repairs, and the gallon of ru-glide from napa, to help the bead along without tearing/stressing etc.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:23 am    Post subject: Re: Redneck Mini-Project, a New motorcycle and everything el Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The best motorcycle tire levers are the long curvy ones with a small lip on the tip. originally made by motorace, but now copied by motion pro. One end is for removal, the other for mounting. The bent end clears brake rotors and sprockets when mounting.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: Redneck Mini-Project, a New motorcycle and everything el Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Both tires are mounted in the correct direction. The front tire is a driven tire, the angled groves should push water and gravel to the outside of the tire if it ever begins to slide during steering or braking. The rear tire is a driving tire, the angled groves should push water to the outside of the tire if it ever begins to spin under power.

If you ride at highway speeds a lot you may want to get the tires balanced sometime, but a big single cylinder engine in a light bike might produce enough vibration that the tires don't matter.

Keep us posted on what you do with the Shadow 500.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: Redneck Mini-Project, a New motorcycle and everything el Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Is it just me, or is it possible the front tire on the bike is put on backwards ?

Should be an arrow molded on the sidewall to indicate direction.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:32 am    Post subject: Re: Redneck Mini-Project, a New motorcycle and everything el Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Stop and think. That tire is being pushed (driven) not like a rear that is driving/pushing.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:40 am    Post subject: Re: Redneck Mini-Project, a New motorcycle and everything el Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Did you balance the tires? A 650 would have no problem keeping up to highway speeds and the last thing you need is high speed wobble. Most M/C shops just use stick on weights.

There's a perfect project for you! Build a motorcycle stand like used for motocross bikes. Make it so it holds the bike a few inches off the ground. Then it's real easy to change tires and adjust and oil the chain. Also good if you need to work on the suspension or take things apart. Put a hole in the middle of the top for changing oil.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:41 am    Post subject: Re: Redneck Mini-Project, a New motorcycle and everything el Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Geez Lanse if you're REALLY serious about building a hot rod tractor don't use a small block Chevy like the kabillion other hot rodders have. I have 2 complete 1976 Cadillac 500 ci engines with turbo 400 transmissions. Off the showroom floor these had over 100 lb/ft of torque more than a stock 454 big block and only weigh like 80 lbs more than a small block. Be a riot to put one of these combos in an old Chevelle or Impala, even an old pick up!
 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:45 am    Post subject: Re: Redneck Mini-Project, a New motorcycle and everything el Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Guess the old tire was backwards then. Just trying to keep Lanse safe.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:20 am    Post subject: Re: Redneck Mini-Project, a New motorcycle and everything el Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Wrenches make nice tire spoons and ya gotta have a wrench to take off the rim anyway. Couple bucks for a wrench, or even cheaper if you hit a garage sale and you can make a set of these. http://www.jcmotors.com/p-13872-drc-motorcycle-pro-spoon-tire-iron-with-wrench.aspx

Or buy them in aluminum. If weight is an issue, $24 is dirt cheap.
http://www.blueridgeracing.com/t7Tools.htm



Most motorcycle tires dont really need balancing now days. They come from the factory pretty true. But, if you want to start a "what oil should I use" thread, just ask about balancing a tire on the motorcycle forums. Or just ask about oil, they fight about that too.

Im sure Lances tires are just fine but ride it to be sure. If they are bad, buy or build a balancer. Harbor Freight even has them. http://www.harborfreight.com/motorcycle-wheel-balancing-stand-98488.html
 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:45 am    Post subject: Re: Redneck Mini-Project, a New motorcycle and everything el Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Doug is right about the Motion pro tire irons.
Michelin made some good M/C tire irons years ago
but I don't know if you can still get them.
Regular tire irons aren't very good for M/C's. The
stand in your link is more for truing wheels than
balancing. Spin balancers are the best. Snap-on
has a really good one for M/C's but it's not
something a bike owner would want to pay for.

Sometimes it's worth paying someone to mount your
tires. Ice racing tires are the absolute worst
because they use another tire(or 2), with the side
wall cut off, inside them as a liner for the 1
1/2" ice s crews to go in. There is very little
sidewall flex and getting bloody knuckles and cut
hands is quite common if you've never done it
before. I'll gladly pay $100 to have someone mount
ice racing tires. Always have the sprocket down
when mounting tires.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Redneck Mini-Project, a New motorcycle and everything el Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Stick welding wrote:
(quoted from post at 14:45:03 02/17/13)The
stand in your link is more for truing wheels than
balancing.


Ummmm, no..... the link clearly shows a motorcycle tire balancer. That is not for truing up a wheel, although I think you could do that if you wanted. A truing stand bolts the wheel in so it can only spin, the balancer is open on top so it can easily lift off. I think you would struggle with the wheel always popping up off the stand if you use a balancing stand but again, Im sure the job can get done.

For a balancing stand, if you dont know how they work, you can google them but in short you mount the tire and put the wheel on the balancer. Then give the wheel a slight spin, it only needs to make a single spin or more. Some people just take the part of the wheel that is on the bottom and put it near the top. Then gravity takes over and when the wheel stops moving, you know the heavy spot is at the bottom. Mark the top of the wheel and repeat. Add weight as needed so that the wheel stops in random spots and you know the tire is balanced.

Again, its highly unlikely anything needs to be done, motorcycle tires are pretty good now days.


Stick welding wrote:
(quoted from post at 14:45:03 02/17/13)I'll gladly pay $100 to have someone mount
ice racing tires.


I will mount every tire you got for $100 apiece and I will balance them for free. Thats easy money, right around $200 a hour. No reason to be scared of an ice tire, a little properly used leverage and the tire almost jumps on the rim. Lance can do the same thing, go to the scrap pile and make one of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjcZfL_tzVA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_cKs2WyQ8c
 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Redneck Mini-Project, a New motorcycle and everything el Reply to specific post Reply with quote

About the balancing... Honestly, I'm not too worried about it...

I spend zero time on the highway right now, and usually cruise around the back roads around 50-60 miles an hour, and some riding around town at 30-40 mph...

I did a lot of researching on whether or not I should worry about balancing the wheels, and decided not too... A quick google search brings up DOZENS of discussions about it, and the general consensus seems to be that one can just skip it with these bikes...

The single-cylinder 650 DOES vibrate a lot, its not annoying, but you sure do feel it... And I've heard a few people say if you keep it under 100, it just isnt that critical... And found plenty of posts by bad-azz old biker dudes that just don't bother....

And plus, the old tires on this bike weren't balanced, neither were the ones on my KLR250...

"What's the worst that can happen?"

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Redneck Mini-Project, a New motorcycle and everything el Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hey, Lanse!
Glad to see you"re still around. Was getting concerned that I didn"t see any of your work for a while.
The grip guards on the bike are nice in the woods. Might keep your hands from freezing quite as quickly. But, will cause some drag. As for the front fender, if you ride at all when its wet, you"ll catch all of it.
Really great looking bike. Ride careful now, ya heah?
 
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