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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:18 pm    Post subject: urethane paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I painted one of our Allis Chalmers tractors a few years ago with what I think was urethane paint. The man I got the paint from got it from his supplier, but wouldn't tell me who the supplier was or who made the paint. The paint can was just plain silver with no labels. He gave me a soda bottle with toluene in it and told me to add a little to the gallon for thinner. I did as he said, and it was the best paint I have ever used. The color was right on and sprayed beautifully. I am painting a Massey 65 and would like to find the same paint, but I don't know where to look. I have painted about 20 tractors and have used the cheap paint and the expensive auto paint, but the urethane was the best and I only paid $30 - $40 for the gallon. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Any help will be appreciated.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: urethane paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I use Nason Urethane from O'Reilly Auto. PPG numbers--Red-72598--Flint Gray Met.--31644.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: urethane paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I don't know what you had, but urethane is not thinned with tolulene (unless the correct reducer contains toluene, which it likely does) and must have hardener to cure. If you did not use hardener it is definitely not urethane. These will cost you about 150/gallon, including hardener plus reducer--PPG Omni, Dupont Nason. You can also get equivalent urethane from Martin Senour, sold by NAPA. I have used only PPG Omni acrylic urethane.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:53 am    Post subject: Re: urethane paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I usually use Martin Senour crossfire. I have used Dupont Nason, but prefer the martin senour. I'm not a good enough painter to know why, it just seemed "better". That said, I hate to spend $200 plus a gallon for farm machinery. I have been using Magnet paint on some implements. They have a website, but you have to call to order. They have urethane, acrylic enamel, and enamel. About 1/2 price, but only available in some colors. Easy to work with, and the color holds up real well.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:44 pm    Post subject: Re: urethane paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Sounds like quick dry enamel to me. That is thinned with toluene. I don't know what you paid for it but it's a lot cheaper than urethane. A urethane is usually a catalyzed finish.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:54 pm    Post subject: Re: urethane paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If you guys don't mind, fill me in on what urethane paint is. The best I can recall, the man I got the paint from said it was urethane. I really don't remember though. What I do remember is I did not have to add hardener and I only added about 4 ounces of the clear liquid he gave me in the pop bottle. That is all I had to do to spray it. It didn't have a lot of over spray. That paint sprayed like liquid silk. So smooth, and it has been real durable and held the color great. It is a whole lot better than the Van Sickle and other implement paint I have used in the past. I would like to find something similar to that. The customer I'm painting this Massey for is going to use the tractor some, but yet he wants it show quality. Thanks
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: urethane paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Josh, you said you used magnet paint. I could not find it. Do you have their web site or phone number?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: urethane paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I would agree with others, urethane will not harden without hardener, probably was enamel. I use NAPA urethane.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:48 pm    Post subject: Re: urethane paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Has anyone used Ag Specialty paint sold by All States Ag Parts?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:42 am    Post subject: Re: urethane paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

A urethane is a plastic, actually it's polyurethane made from urethane resins, the poly coming from the word polymer. The cheap polyurethane used in your house on woodwork is watered down and may only contain a small amount of polyurethane compared to automotive urethane’s. A polyurethane can be used without hardener however when mixed with isocyanide hardeners creates a chemical reaction which makes for a much harder and more durable paint. If isocyanides are mixed with the urethane you mix only what you intend to use because what is left over will harden in the can. There are many different kinds of paint a person can paint a tractor including a lot of automotive paints. What you have to keep in mind is most paints are not formulated to withstand oils and chemicals you would get on a tractor and a urethane will hold up much better.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: urethane paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Plese pardon the correction. Hardener contains isocyaNATES. I don't believe it is cyanide, which will kill a person pretty quick--I have not studied the MSDS.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:51 am    Post subject: Re: urethane paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

There are urethane modified alkyds which are a step up from alkyds but how big a one is questionable. They are much cheaper than the real urethanes and don't need a hardener. Some manufacturers call them urethane enamels which can be a little misleading.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:44 am    Post subject: Re: urethane paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

With the current state of uninforced and sometimes uninforcable anti-trust and truth in advertising laws in this country , it is open game on the unsuspecting consumer. They can call their "bargain" product anything they want (and usually do)to get your money. Not unlike other products/services sold in this country , it is definately "buyer beware". Lot of bargain junk out there.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:01 pm    Post subject: Re: urethane paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Sorry, I didn't look up the correct spelling. I think the stuff is just as bad as cyanide though.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: urethane paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I think I used some form of cyanide to kill ground squirrels that were eating sunflower and sorghum seed in my plots after planting in the 90's. I was careful to hold it downwind and wore a mask most of the time. I would drop a pill in in the hole and cover with my foot. It helped but I couldn't get them all.
 
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