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Differences between Ford 6000 and 6000 Commander?


 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:42 am    Post subject: Differences between Ford 6000 and 6000 Commander? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I sell motorcycles for a living and a customer wants to trade in a 1967 Ford 6000. He stresses to me that his is NOT a Commander. Can someone please tell the difference between a 6000 and 6000 Commander?

He tells me that his tractor is a 1967, 6 cyl diesel, and has a wide front end. I have not gotten a serial number or VIN number yet, but I am hoping to get some kind of preliminary information.

If someone could post a picture of each model I would be very appreciative. The images I see on Google all look the same to me?

Thanks.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:30 am    Post subject: Re: Differences between Ford 6000 and 6000 Commander? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The Commander is a later version of the 6000. If his
is a '67, it IS a Commander. There are some
mechanical updates on the Commander. The paint is
somewhat different, and the grill was changed on the
Commander. The tractor in the picture is my
Grandpa's Commander, which was either a '66 or '67
model.

 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: Differences between Ford 6000 and 6000 Commander? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I just typed "Ford 6000 images" in google, and the
3rd image in the 2nd row is an early (non-Commander)
6000. The pictures also show the narrow front and
both long and short wheelbase wide fronts.
google images

 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:59 am    Post subject: Re: Differences between Ford 6000 and 6000 Commander? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I assume that you're looking to put a value on it if he's trying to trade it in on a motorcycle. The value really depends on a lot of things, like what part of the country you're located in, the condition of the tractor, how new the tires are, etc.

In some parts of the country you can't give a 6000 away because folks have heard horror stories about the S-O-S transmissions, but in other areas they're in high demand

The tires alone, depending on condition, could easily swing the value $1000.00 one way or the other.

If you've got a reputable tractor dealer in your area, of any brand, you might want to work with them to help you get a value, and set up the trade-in so that you give the guy an amount for his trade-in that's equal to what the tractor dealer is willing to give you for it, or maybe a few bucks less if you're looking to make something off of the trade-in part of the deal.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: Differences between Ford 6000 and 6000 Commander? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I've got to agree with Fordfarmer... if it's a 67 it is most certainly a Commander. The Commander was the polished turd version of the 6000 that fixed some of it's problems. I think by 68 or so they'd abandoned it anyway.
To be chairitable... the 6000 is probably the worst mess of a tractor that Ford ever afixed their name to.
If you're taking it on trade you're really dealing in pretty small dollars. I bought a 66 5000 last spring for 2K and it's a hell of a lot better tractor than the 6000 ever dreamed of being... and that's getting to be more or less typical pricing on models of that vintage around here that need some love.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: Differences between Ford 6000 and 6000 Commander? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That's right... '67 was the last year of production. I -think- the 6000 was '61 to '64 and the Commander was '65 through '67.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Differences between Ford 6000 and 6000 Commander? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

RodInNS, I agree with the 6000 being a mess. Dad had an early 60's red 6000. Because of the SOS, in the shop all the time, Ford gave us a newer blue 6000. We had to use are old tires.

For that reason, I'm afraid to buy one. The mechanics had a hard time with them back in the day. What about today, how many people are left to fix them?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Differences between Ford 6000 and 6000 Commander? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

if its a 67 it can only be a commander, i would be interested in it.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Differences between Ford 6000 and 6000 Commander? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Too bad they were a mess! When I was growing up,
our neighbor bought a brand spanking new '66 6000
LP. I usually chiseled his wheat ground right
behind the combines, and that year was no exception.
I crawled on that 6000 one evening-it had 3 hours on
it, and spent the rest of that night going round and round. I still think it was the best handling,
smoothest running, quietest tractor I've ever
operated--and Dad had two 4020 Deeres that I lived
on! Too bad the 6000's just didn't hold up!
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:20 am    Post subject: Re: Differences between Ford 6000 and 6000 Commander? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks for the info. Could anyone tell me specifically where to look for vin or serial numbers so I can at least confirm exactly what year the tractor is?

He said that it has brand new tires and that he had the engine rebuilt. He said he has over 10000 invested in it, and he has finally figured out that he is never going to sell it for that.
 


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:21 am    Post subject: Re: Differences between Ford 6000 and 6000 Commander? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

A 6000 Commander was our primary tractor in the late 60's up to 1976. It was a real worker for us. Only problem was some sort of seal between the rear end and the SOS would go bad and they'd haul it to the dealer to split it and fix the seal. Later there was some issue with the crank where it had to be replaced (I was away at school at the time so don't know the details). My BIL replaced that for Dad. I wouldn't mind having one again for old time's sake but a bit scared of the SOS on one that I didn't know the history of. Don't know what they might be worth today, but I'm guessing not much. Was at a sale a couple of yrs. ago where they had three beat up ones, but didn't stay to see them sell.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:34 am    Post subject: Re: Differences between Ford 6000 and 6000 Commander? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Also, could someone tell me if the tires are the right size that they may have value? I might be able to sell the rear wheels and scrap the thing out and still put the deal together.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:38 am    Post subject: Re: Differences between Ford 6000 and 6000 Commander? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

"I might be able to sell the rear wheels and scrap the thing out and still put the deal together."

I think you are on the right track here.
The tires should most likely be 30" or 38".
They would sell readily as a lot of brands and models used them - especially the 38s
I have never owned one of those 6000s or Commanders but from reading these boards for 10 years I can tell you I wouldn't give you much of a trade for one. Like if it has new tires in the rear maybe a couple grand is all.
If a guy knew those tranctors and the trannies in them he could keep himself in cheap horsepower for a long time.
But for a guy who is looking to make a buck off of one I'd say they are mostly a losing proposition.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Differences between Ford 6000 and 6000 Commander? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I've never seen any 6000, Commander or otherwise,
with anything but 34" or 38" rear rubber. 15.5x38
seems to be most common, but I've also seen 18.4x34,
16.9x38 and 18.4x38. Fronts are most likely 7.50x16
or 7.50x18. All common sizes.
If he's got over $10k in it, you should be able to
get more for it than what the tires are worth +
scrap value...though not a lot more. I'd at least
advertise it whole, first.
 
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