Battery going? Does this pass the smell test?

If you pound on the starter with a hammer, you will be buying a new one. It will knock the PM fields loose!
Yes, if you POUND on the starter. Just because you're holding a hammer does not mean you have to swing it with maximum effort every time.

But, if everything else checks out, and it gets you going, tap away. The next step is changing the starter whether you "smashed" it with a hammer or not.
 
If it dips below 8-9 volts when cranking it will never fully charge again Get new battery
Actually doing a little checking with a meter that folks don't understand would make this to easy. Its got to be harder than this as we are only 100 years are so into wet cell battery technology. This type of ministry will never be resolved the answer is hidden in a black hole that few are willing to venture into.
 
Actually doing a little checking with a meter that folks don't understand would make this to easy. Its got to be harder than this as we are only 100 years are so into wet cell battery technology. This type of ministry will never be resolved the answer is hidden in a black hole that few are willing to venture into.


I'm finally going to ask you.

Why do you use "are" in place of "or"?

I see this in just about all of your posts.

Just curious is all.
 
@Jeff in ND FYI if after the battery swap the dumb thing honks whenever you step on the brakes, remove the key fob, lock the doors with the remote, and remote start, assuming it will do that being it is a manual trans. Have had 2 2015's do exactly that after a battery swap, it seems to trigger some sort of theft deterrent system, drove me bonkers at first, I swapped the one in moms car here at work and it did that, was scouring the net and she says I'm going to go grab some stuff and give you time to look, she remote started it and all was good
 
Actually, yours do appear to be ruffled judging by your response.

It was just a simple question, nothing else. I thought there might be a particular reason for it rather than just plain ignorance.

Carry on my wayward friend.
You win... My Ignorance what you wanted to say in the first place may not be up to your standards but I do know how to without a doubt test your charging starting system and pull in the big bucks doing it. : )
 
You win... My Ignorance what you wanted to say in the first place may not be up to your standards but I do know how to without a doubt test your charging starting system and pull in the big bucks doing it. : )


I didn't win anything.

As previously stated, I was simply asking a question. You chose to decide I was insulting you instead, so like they say, when in Rome.......

I know how to test those things too. I worked as an auto mechanic for nearly forty years.

As for the big bucks, well, I'm not rich but I don't need to worry if there will be groceries on the table tonight or in the future.

Long days and pleasant nights to you.
 
@Jeff in ND FYI if after the battery swap the dumb thing honks whenever you step on the brakes, remove the key fob, lock the doors with the remote, and remote start, assuming it will do that being it is a manual trans. Have had 2 2015's do exactly that after a battery swap, it seems to trigger some sort of theft deterrent system, drove me bonkers at first, I swapped the one in moms car here at work and it did that, was scouring the net and she says I'm going to go grab some stuff and give you time to look, she remote started it and all was good
Wow!

No remote start on this and not sure possible with a manual anyway.

Well, did the swap earlier today and nothing exciting happened!!! I had my "keep alive" power applied although the clip popped off for a second there. Even so, did not seem to lose its brains on the radio settings at least. New battery in and went for a 10+ mile drive to make sure all was well. Will see about the cold start later. It was about 8 out but I had a quick trip to the C store before so some heat to keep my fingers moving a bit. No wind today either (a rare thing around here).

There was no corrosion on the clamps to be seen so that was not the cause of anything. Put a fresh spritz of fluid film on things when I was done.
 
@Jeff in ND FYI if after the battery swap the dumb thing honks whenever you step on the brakes, remove the key fob, lock the doors with the remote, and remote start, assuming it will do that being it is a manual trans. Have had 2 2015's do exactly that after a battery swap, it seems to trigger some sort of theft deterrent system, drove me bonkers at first, I swapped the one in moms car here at work and it did that, was scouring the net and she says I'm going to go grab some stuff and give you time to look, she remote started it and all was good
Yup... our daughter's Suby-Doo did the same thing. We replaced batteries on it twice... and the first time the car alarm did that, I had to replace a pair of underwear as well...

It also was a car that seemed to have a lot of mystery battery issues. She would drive to work; and then it wouldn't start. I'd go over... wiggle the terminals... tighten them... then it starts... only to repeat the process at some random, maximally inconvenient time maybe a few months later. The alternator failed intermittently at one point... the battery went bad, we replaced it, then tested the new battery and charging system... the alternator showed charge voltage during a test, but then drained the new battery over time and essentially ruined it, by putting it through too many charge/discharge cycles. The part store gave us another battery under "warrantee" when we bought the new alternator. In the end, we never DID explicitly diagnose whether the battery killed the alternator or vice/versa... but replacing both solved the problem.

There were a lot of loads in that car. Nice winter vehicle... heated seats, front/rear windshield defrosters, a windshield wiper tray defroster... something I've never seen on another vehicle... but all of those winter features add to more points of failure, extra loads on the system, etc, etc...

Great car. Beast in the snow. Also a beast to troubleshoot.

Don't get me going about the ball joint mounts... on the bottom of the front wheel spindle... with about a full inch of a 10mm (maybe 12mm?) bolt threaded through a split knuckle. After a few years of road salt, the people around here that are into Suby-Doos just take the whole spindle off and take them to a shop to have the bolt drilled out, if they need to replace a ball joint. (the YouTube "how to" video on this is hilarious... some guy down south with a perfectly un-rusted car showing you that the process takes about five minutes... well... not here in NYS, the road salt capital of the world, lol)
 
Wow!

No remote start on this and not sure possible with a manual anyway.

Well, did the swap earlier today and nothing exciting happened!!! I had my "keep alive" power applied although the clip popped off for a second there. Even so, did not seem to lose its brains on the radio settings at least. New battery in and went for a 10+ mile drive to make sure all was well. Will see about the cold start later. It was about 8 out but I had a quick trip to the C store before so some heat to keep my fingers moving a bit. No wind today either (a rare thing around here).

There was no corrosion on the clamps to be seen so that was not the cause of anything. Put a fresh spritz of fluid film on things when I was done.
Good DEAL! I bet your keep alive kept the crazy from happening, some toyotas, and maybe more, require a a keep a live deal much like you made but they plug into the ACC outlet (AKA cigar lighter), some of them if you don't do that you have to have it reflashed by the dealer or it won't even run!
 
Yup... our daughter's Suby-Doo did the same thing. We replaced batteries on it twice... and the first time the car alarm did that, I had to replace a pair of underwear as well...

It also was a car that seemed to have a lot of mystery battery issues. She would drive to work; and then it wouldn't start. I'd go over... wiggle the terminals... tighten them... then it starts... only to repeat the process at some random, maximally inconvenient time maybe a few months later. The alternator failed intermittently at one point... the battery went bad, we replaced it, then tested the new battery and charging system... the alternator showed charge voltage during a test, but then drained the new battery over time and essentially ruined it, by putting it through too many charge/discharge cycles. The part store gave us another battery under "warrantee" when we bought the new alternator. In the end, we never DID explicitly diagnose whether the battery killed the alternator or vice/versa... but replacing both solved the problem.

There were a lot of loads in that car. Nice winter vehicle... heated seats, front/rear windshield defrosters, a windshield wiper tray defroster... something I've never seen on another vehicle... but all of those winter features add to more points of failure, extra loads on the system, etc, etc...

Great car. Beast in the snow. Also a beast to troubleshoot.

Don't get me going about the ball joint mounts... on the bottom of the front wheel spindle... with about a full inch of a 10mm (maybe 12mm?) bolt threaded through a split knuckle. After a few years of road salt, the people around here that are into Suby-Doos just take the whole spindle off and take them to a shop to have the bolt drilled out, if they need to replace a ball joint. (the YouTube "how to" video on this is hilarious... some guy down south with a perfectly un-rusted car showing you that the process takes about five minutes... well... not here in NYS, the road salt capital of the world, lol)
Ha. My prior Subaru the rear mount on the bottom of the rear spindles notorious for a huge bolt to be seized. No way to take it apart for wheel bearings. I had watched some u-tube on mechanics getting this out and their NY state cars looked a lot crustier than mine. Tried it once when I thought the bearing was going and it was not happening. I left it alone (not driving the car much during pandemic) and got rid of it for the current one last summer as it had accumulated 4 other expensive problems. The one I have now is much newer/low miles so I would hope not having some of the issues the old one had as it was a 4th owner well worn beater.
 
You win... My Ignorance what you wanted to say in the first place may not be up to your standards but I do know how to without a doubt test your charging starting system and pull in the big bucks doing it. : )
Hopefully not too many of your customers read this site. They might find out you or charging them big bucks for a simple electrical system check.
 
Hopefully not too many of your customers read this site. They might find out you or charging them big bucks for a simple electrical system check.
It must not be simple as post like this run on forever and normally with no simple test preformed. It is simple so simple the process has been lost in time. That's why I stated folks have been dumbed down they put their belief in a toy tool when the diagnostics is just so simple.

Diagnostic are not always about finding a bad part a good diagnostic approach also confirms parts that are good.
All my customers are A customers I ran off B's and C's. Life is good. This is why there are so many bad shops they spend to much time on B and C customers so much time they become a C shop at best. Their patterns are all C they never learn to offer A work they believe everyone is a C.

If they survive long enoufh just maybe they come to realize cutting corners for B's and C's are costing me and run them off.


I am not your average shop owner I Vet my customers if we don't seam like a fit siranora. If any of my customers read this they love me I love them if that's not OK with them they can go somewhere else : ). YES I AM HERE FOR THE MONEY.
 
Cable connections. Especially the ground. Especially in cold damp weather. I carry a couple of sheetrock screws and a Phillips screwdriver. If I get nothing when trying the key, open the hood, screw a screw down in between the cable clamp and the battery post and see if it helps. If it does, clean your posts and cable ends. This doesn't work on the post-less batteries, but a small boxend to snug down the bolt may. I've heard them sizzle trying to burn through the corrosion. steve

I've been buying batteries with both side and post terminals so i can swap between car/trucks/tractors with dissimilar battery cables. On my current driver truck I had a spare cable hanging around so I added a 2nd ground wire.
 
It must not be simple as post like this run on forever and normally with no simple test preformed. It is simple so simple the process has been lost in time. That's why I stated folks have been dumbed down they put their belief in a toy tool when the diagnostics is just so simple.

Diagnostic are not always about finding a bad part a good diagnostic approach also confirms parts that are good.
All my customers are A customers I ran off B's and C's. Life is good. This is why there are so many bad shops they spend to much time on B and C customers so much time they become a C shop at best. Their patterns are all C they never learn to offer A work they believe everyone is a C.

If they survive long enoufh just maybe they come to realize cutting corners for B's and C's are costing me and run them off.


I am not your average shop owner I Vet my customers if we don't seam like a fit siranora. If any of my customers read this they love me I love them if that's not OK with them they can go somewhere else : ). YES I AM HERE FOR THE MONEY.
I remember the days of firing customers!
 
wow , i didnt think it would take days and pages of posts to do a battery check and still not know if the battey is ok or not. :unsure:it just takes this 50.00 unit to tell you what u wanted to know. how can anyone be without one. checks the battery and charging. fast and easy.
 

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Not sure so goathead and school me. Its not gonna ruffle my feathers maybe yours but not mine.
Hobo, are you letting your phone or computer make the text from your spoken words? I’ll use a 50 cent word here and ask if you dictate your posts. That may explain some of the wording. I’ve wondered too and don’t see BD as trying to be insulting.
 

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