bmaverick, Wix filter warning

[used red MN]

I saw this in another thread, curious what information or experience this is based on? (Edited to add: Any specific type fuel fuel filters, engine oil or hydraulic?) The auto repair shop I worked for right out of high school had a parts store franchise as well. They sold the Wix filter line, always thought they were touted as an “above average” filter line, definitely a few notches above FRAM. Just looking for more info. TIA!

 

[Brown David]

What is the warning?

 

[used red MN]

What is the warning?

Brown, some how my brain did not consider others would be viewing this thread. His reply 4 in this thread. Thread with info

 

[tractorford]

yea im no micron-ologist esquire--

but after my recent academic researching tenure i have come to the pseudo-scientific conclusion that apparently, the higher the micron number the more flow the filter will have... (so thats good for diesels apparently) and the lower the micron number the less flow it has because it can block smaller rated particles... (so thats apparently bad for diesels ergo vis-a-vis vis-a-vis ergo more restrictive)

and apparently the purolator boss 14610 has a micron of 40 or some such... so thats not terrible. (read different micron ratings for the boss now.... seems kinda weird the more expensive boss would filter less than say the cheapest "tech" version... maybe the "tech" is the way to go......)

and apparently the council of nicean-ologists claim the purolotor one 14610 has a micron rating of 20... so for diesels thats bad because it filters out and restricts starting at 20. instead of the 40 of the boss. versus the "35" of the WIX 57365XP ......

----actually i take it all back i actually want to find out what the actual micron rating is for each 14610 variant before i install mine..... and remove the wix on there...

what i do know.. (kind of)

wix 57365XP flow rate = 9 - 11 GPM
Puralator Boss 14610 flow rate = 14 - 18 (bpvs??) something or another

so maybe thats the ticket.... its the 14 - 18 of the purolator vs the 9 - 11 of the wix....

so apparently. for diesels..... flow rate is really important... compared to just micron rating for gas engines... like maverick said..... hmm... yes...

then again... so many of these used and busted up tractor machines we buy probably have never had the correct filter on there to begin with... and maybe they still work "just fine enough" but.... we undertakers of used equipment i suppose... must grant them passage across the rivers of their afterlife gently.... heheh... (as the combustion engine is surely and slowly taken away and restricted from private usage within the decade maybe LOL)

 

[Brown David]

Brown, some how my brain did not consider others would be viewing this thread. His reply 4 in this thread. Thread with info

Thanks.

 

[Jim.ME]

yea im no micron-ologist esquire--

but after my recent academic researching tenure i have come to the pseudo-scientific conclusion that apparently, the higher the micron number the more flow the filter will have... (so thats good for diesels apparently) and the lower the micron number the less flow it has because it can block smaller rated particles... (so thats apparently bad for diesels ergo vis-a-vis vis-a-vis ergo more restrictive)

and apparently the purolator boss 14610 has a micron of 40 or some such... so thats not terrible. (read different micron ratings for the boss now.... seems kinda weird the more expensive boss would filter less than say the cheapest "tech" version... maybe the "tech" is the way to go......)

and apparently the council of nicean-ologists claim the purolotor one 14610 has a micron rating of 20... so for diesels thats bad because it filters out and restricts starting at 20. instead of the 40 of the boss. versus the "35" of the WIX 57365XP ......

----actually i take it all back i actually want to find out what the actual micron rating is for each 14610 variant before i install mine..... and remove the wix on there...

what i do know.. (kind of)

wix 57365XP flow rate = 9 - 11 GPM
Puralator Boss 14610 flow rate = 14 - 18 (bpvs??) something or another

so maybe thats the ticket.... its the 14 - 18 of the purolator vs the 9 - 11 of the wix....

so apparently. for diesels..... flow rate is really important... compared to just micron rating for gas engines... like maverick said..... hmm... yes...

then again... so many of these used and busted up tractor machines we buy probably have never had the correct filter on there to begin with... and maybe they still work "just fine enough" but.... we undertakers of used equipment i suppose... must grant them passage across the rivers of their afterlife gently.... heheh... (as the combustion engine is surely and slowly taken away and restricted from private usage within the decade maybe LOL)


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You need to start with the micron size and flow rating of the OEM filter as your base to compare the aftermarket filters to, not just comparing aftermarket to aftermarket. And cross reference from the OEM number not another aftermarket number for most accurate results.

 

[tractorford]

You need to start with the micron size and flow rating of the OEM filter as your base to compare the aftermarket filters to, not just comparing aftermarket to aftermarket. And cross reference from the OEM number not another aftermarket number for most accurate results.

hmmm.... yea... im all tapped out regarding that.... some POS 3 cylinder diesel engine from 19-eighty something will not notice much difference at this leg of the game, theres no way this engine will perform any worse or better in my opinion. hahahah---- i mean ((i do hope)) i really hope it does-- with the purolator 14610 ... but--- its "fine" with the crappy wix thats probably been used on there for atleast a decade... before i owned this tractor.

but i might see if i can find the specs on whatever abismal filter yanmar threw on there based on the parts info catalog--- but-- i gotta tell ya man.... it is what it is lolol i mean the previous fellar took out the stock fuel filter and threw on a regular fuel filter you see on lawn mowers on this thing, i found out what 'real parts' were for the 'real fuel filter canister' but i have yet to install it..... so this rig man im just like--- if it works, the less i noodle with it, its probably for the better-- lolol

--okay i did find the part number 124450-35100 --i suppose that part number and its variants would be a good place to start if i wanted to rabbit hole it further heheheh....

apparently after some more digging this one from this link "should" fit... but looks a tad chubbier... but the deets say Micron Rating: 18 Nominal; 40 Absolute. --so if i do some meta-physical algebra (pre-bubonic post-goethe manguloths) ... carry the Y... add the nominal index jigawatts totaling the niner quadrant of divsional alchemy subtracted from the equator passage vectors..... the purolator that has the 40 rating should atleast be sufficient.... for this used up engine....

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[DoubleO7]

Purolator and WIX are owned by the same parent company.
I am surprised they are made to be different at all.

 

[stevieb49829]

You do know that if you have a whole lot of tiny holes, they can flow as much and sometimes more than a few big holes? That's why there is a flow number, AND a micron number with each filter. You choose the size particle you want to trap with the filter, and then select the filter with an appropriate flow rate at that filtering level. The other part of this equation is the quality and type of element used in the filter, which could determine the longevity of the filter. Then, of course there are the TPI requirements, the ID and OD of the mounting flange and the nipple, and the list goes on. steve

 

[tractorford]

Purolator and WIX are owned by the same parent company.
I am surprised they are made to be different at all.

i did read that some place ...you know... im just gonna JB MARINE WELD two-stacked mcdonalds cups to the oil filter spin on dial.... thatll teach this engine whats what...... aint no luxuries left for you here mister yanmar... yer mine now... lol-- i cant believe i gave it the decency of flushing the coolant early on and pouring in fresh red rotella ELC diesel-rated .....such pampering....

 

[bmaverick]

yea im no micron-ologist esquire--

but after my recent academic researching tenure i have come to the pseudo-scientific conclusion that apparently, the higher the micron number the more flow the filter will have... (so thats good for diesels apparently) and the lower the micron number the less flow it has because it can block smaller rated particles... (so thats apparently bad for diesels ergo vis-a-vis vis-a-vis ergo more restrictive)

and apparently the purolator boss 14610 has a micron of 40 or some such... so thats not terrible. (read different micron ratings for the boss now.... seems kinda weird the more expensive boss would filter less than say the cheapest "tech" version... maybe the "tech" is the way to go......)

and apparently the council of nicean-ologists claim the purolotor one 14610 has a micron rating of 20... so for diesels thats bad because it filters out and restricts starting at 20. instead of the 40 of the boss. versus the "35" of the WIX 57365XP ......

----actually i take it all back i actually want to find out what the actual micron rating is for each 14610 variant before i install mine..... and remove the wix on there...

what i do know.. (kind of)

wix 57365XP flow rate = 9 - 11 GPM
Puralator Boss 14610 flow rate = 14 - 18 (bpvs??) something or another

so maybe thats the ticket.... its the 14 - 18 of the purolator vs the 9 - 11 of the wix....

so apparently. for diesels..... flow rate is really important... compared to just micron rating for gas engines... like maverick said..... hmm... yes...

then again... so many of these used and busted up tractor machines we buy probably have never had the correct filter on there to begin with... and maybe they still work "just fine enough" but.... we undertakers of used equipment i suppose... must grant them passage across the rivers of their afterlife gently.... heheh... (as the combustion engine is surely and slowly taken away and restricted from private usage within the decade maybe LOL)


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You said it remarkably well.



I also stated, if you want the lower micron filtration, you better get a taller filter. More surface area helps the flow. And when I say taller, at least 2X taller.

The better we understand how simple this works, the longer our machines will run.

 

[Jim.ME]

You said it remarkably well.



I also stated, if you want the lower micron filtration, you better get a taller filter. More surface area helps the flow. And when I say taller, at least 2X taller.

The better we understand how simple this works, the longer our machines will run.

What is the micron rating of the original Yanmar filter and it's dimensions?

 

[bmaverick]

What is the micron rating of the original Yanmar filter and it's dimensions?

Yanmar rating is 36-microns. It's the basic standard for diesel engine oil filters. And this is for 10W30 summer and 5W30 winter use. Those using 15W40 would need to have a higher 40-micron for flow. Yanmar avoids the 15W40 in their older machines since those were engineered to JIS standards and not SAE. 15W40 holds heat longer in the engine. Takes longer to dissipate. One of the reasons why people in the summer run into overheating and blown heads on Yanmar, Hinomoto, Kubota, Mitsubishi, Shibaura and other Japan made machines. JIS is totally different.

This is right from the Yanmar Japan website. Japan as a nation sees mild winters, so 10W30 is allowed all year.
For North American and EU, this is not the case.

 

[bmaverick]

For oil, I use this or Quaker State when Menards has a sale,

When temps push, 90F, I just don't use the tractor. SAE straight 30 has gotten so pricey in the last 8 years. It use to be the best priced oil around.

 

[tractorford]

For oil, I use this or Quaker State when Menards has a sale,


When temps push, 90F, I just don't use the tractor. SAE straight 30 has gotten so pricey in the last 8 years. It use to be the best priced oil around.

really glad i checked this page this morning- heheheheh had just bought a jug of 15w-40 synthetic rotella..... okay... okay.... hmm hmm hmm.... so if a fellar 'does have' a jug of straight shell rotella SAE 30.... and the purolator filter--- would that be the better combo for my creaky rig

 

[bmaverick]

really glad i checked this page this morning- heheheheh had just bought a jug of 15w-40 synthetic rotella..... okay... okay.... hmm hmm hmm.... so if a fellar 'does have' a jug of straight shell rotella SAE 30.... and the purolator filter--- would that be the better combo for my creaky rig

Just return the jug of 15W40 and swap it for the 10W30 or SAE 30.

Note, SAE 30 only works down to 32F or 0C. I would say 35F really. Takes lots of cranking in the low 30s to turn the engine over. I know, been there done that too.

I'm not on this forum so much like the others. This one has no dark-mode. A bit too bright for my old eyes.