Can anyone help?

chas1100

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Greetings !
I have very little experience but no lack of enthusiasm.
I have been offered a John Deere 12A pull behind combine. It is a thousand miles away and I have been advised to bring a chainsaw. The photo is a model.
I have a 20ft x 102" 10K trailer. I found some arial YouTube video an it looks like it is wider than 8.5 feet. How difficult would this be to dissemble enough to fit my trailer? I will have access to a shop. ( big farm company ). But they will be harvesting and don't want to be a distraction.

Please if you know what this weighs and how difficult to make transportable inform me.

Thanks in advance
 

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Measure it for permits. To disassemble it to legal will be more work than you want. Also all those rusted bolts and tin work will be an issue. Hauling will be more than the machine is worth for that distance if the miles are correct at a 1000. Not sure where you or it is. But a chainsaw tells me it has set there a very long time. Biggest thing will be getting the wheels to run on your trailer to load it. It probably only weights about 3-4000 LBS. Bulk will be the rule of the day. I would want the width of the wheels measured and the total length from drawpin hole to back of straw rack housing. Also get a good accurate width measurement for it along with the wheels. You might need to make a couple outriggers to load it. Depending on where it is permits might not be to bad and would be much easier way to go. II will not need a permit for Ag equipment with a wheel base as long as it does not exceed 14 wide or 13'6" high. WI if not over 10 wide and not hauled on interstate no permit needed for farm equipment. Unless prices for permits have gone up a lot most were pretty reasonable compared to the work and time to dismantle it. If you want more help on this call me at 989 413 5684.
 
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Measure it for permits. To disassemble it to legal will be more work than you want. Also all those rusted bolts and tin work will be an issue. Hauling will be more than the machine is worth for that distance if the miles are correct at a 1000. Not sure where you or it is. But a chainsaw tells me it has set there a very long time. Biggest thing will be getting the wheels to run on your trailer to load it. It probably only weights about 3-4000 LBS. Bulk will be the rule of the day. I would want the width of the wheels measured and the total length from drawpin hole to back of straw rack housing. Also get a good accurate width measurement for it along with the wheels. You might need to make a couple outriggers to load it. Depending on where it is permits might not be to bad and would be much easier way to go. II will not need a permit for Ag equipment with a wheel base as long as it does not exceed 14 wide or 13'6" high. WI if not over 10 wide and not hauled on interstate no permit needed for farm equipment. Unless prices for permits have gone up a lot most were pretty reasonable compared to the work and time to dismantle it. If you want more help on this call me at 989 413 5684.

Hello Caterpillar Guy,
Thank you for the taking the time to write and share your thoughts. Everything you wrote makes sense with the information I have so far. The combine is in Atwood KS will go to Cochise County (near Tombstone AZ). I hope to do this at the end of August on return trip from Thresherman show in Pinkneyville IL. From looking at auction results I think this machine is would sell for $200 - Although this type of machinery is so common there it will get some attention here. I know it doesn't make good sense, but I know it will feel good.

The route with the fewest states would cross Kansas, Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona. Do you have an opinion on which of those states is most strict? I received a message this morning informing me the widest part is 112" .

Again, thank you for responding and I will probably call you when I get more details.
Cheers, Charlie Bub
 

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Looking at the pictures you show I would swing that unloading auger spout or lay it down if it has a hinge to do so. Depending on the trailer height you use it is hard to say but might put you over the 13'6" height limit. though most of those states are more normal of 14 foot which helps you out there. KS will not be a big deal and CO is good. NM has a tone mile tax but should not affect you. If I remember right you could get the permit at the port of entry ( first scale ) you come to in the state. Arizona I've only needed a couple permits for there and was several years ago now. google maps shows a 3 route choices. shortest runs down through Ks clips the end of the OK panhandle and corner of the TX panhandle then to Tucumcari NM down to Las Cruces over to Tombstone. Would include a couple extra permits but cuts off about 20 miles. Second route is 986 runs down to Monument KS and west on Us 40 problem is they show a Road Closure between Sharon Springs and Weskan . That could easily be bypassed by running US 36 west to Us 385 and go south or take Ks25 south to I70/ Us24 west to 385 and then back on route. If you decide to get permits talk to Transport Permits In Des Moine IA they are very good at what they do and I used them all the time for permits we could not do ourselves. They have another office I believe at Waterloo Ia and was not as happy an experience with them. They got me in to a height problem in MI one time. Long story short It made a bit of work for me to clear a bridge they didn't have clearance for. You can contact the states for the permits and have them faxed to you directly and there is a way to get a group of permits I don't remember which states are involved with that and are included. The Third route has you going from Atwood to Cheyenne Wells to La Junta and Trinidad Albuquerque NM to Demming then Tombstone . I know it is long winded but those were the 3 routes according to them. I have run the route through Vaughn from Santa Rosa NM to I 25 down to Hatch down to Demming over to Tucson down to Nogales was a nice trip had 12 wide on for that trip. For more call me 989 413 5684
 
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Hello Caterpillar,

Thank for your well thought out and detailed advice and comments. You are generous with your time.

Since your last message I have better dimensions for the combine. If tilted to about 70 degrees it will not be oversize. The height would be about 12' 8" if sitting on a 6" pallet. My friends, that offered this, think they have a pallet that can be modified and they would be able to set it on my trailer. As I mentioned before they will be harvesting and I don't want to impose too much on there time. I would schedule this for a more relaxed time but the property that the combine sits at is for sale.

The decision that needs to be made is to palletize or get overload permit. I would like to call you, what time is convenient for you?

Cheers,
Charlie Bub
 
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is it my imagination, or is Vaughn the windiest city in the country?
 
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Charlie Any time is good. I do live in the eastern time zone so it could be 1-3 hours difference from where you happen to be if your not at home. Tilting like a twist will also tilt the opposite side outward I don't see that helping much if any and will need more tie downs to hold in place. Keeping a pallet or bridging in place on rough roads can be a challenge with no good way to adjust it if it does move during the trip. Talk to either the states you plan to travel or Transport permits and see what the permits would cost. Transport will also have a fee for each permit you order through them. Some times it is cheaper in the long run to just pony up the cash for a job. You could talk to the NM port of entry or first scale for more information from them. Since you can get permits there they should be pretty competent on that. Or call the department for each state. These numbers should be able to help you on this the best since it is for each state. KS785 271 3145Or www.truckingks.com ,CO 303 757 9539 , NM 505 827 0376 nmshtd.state.nm.us , AZ has two types of permits I would call to get information here 632 932 2247, www.dot.state.az.us/mvd/commercialenforcement/commvehenforce.htm. Then there is a number for class C permits 623 712 8176 or 8280. Now you could if the cost is prohibitive for CO you could go out through OK into NM without seeing TX would still be just 4 permits versus adding an extra, look at an atlas and you will see what I mean there. It would be an option for you. If you do decide on that option this is for OK 877 425 2390 administration 1 405 425 2206 . The states I did not post a website for probably have one by now since the book I used for these numbers and all is from a 2009-2010 book. If you stop in a truckstop look for a book called United StatesTruckers Oversize Load and Pilot Car Directory . It has a blue and yellow cover on it. It has most all the oversize load rules and regulations by state in it along with escort cars for all different states if you would need them also. I don't remeber the price I paid for it price on the front of book is $14.00 it has travel times sunrise and set times along with all the curfews for the larger cities . Also if you go the permit route be sure to get the provision sheets with the permit no extra cost to it when I was doing this. Some states require you to have them and some like IN even had a revision date you needed to have on them from the state or were not valid. You will probably need a blinky light you can put on top of the cab and signs and flages for the widest part of the load and each corner of the vehicle. I would just sew in some tarp straps along the edge of some red cloth of about 24x24 inches. Some states only require 18/ inches but will not complain about the 24's then you would be set for the ones wanting the 24's . If you were close by I could loan you all this including lights for front and back. I have a couple lights that go in where the tail lights go that when on will strobe for the back and a regular blinky light on the top of the truck for the front. If it can be seen from all side most will not bother you on that. All of it comes down to the officer that stops you and the attitude at the time. Call me if you want more 989 413 5684 most any time. IF I do not answer I probably didn't hear it on a tractor. I will call back though or leave a message. Do stress to the states that you are not a commercial hauler and just a one time personal property trip of old farm equipment . IT probably will not matter much to them but might help on the ton a mile tax deal for NM. Since you are not over the 10 foot mark I would see about night travel for at least AZ since they have it at no extra cost you could maybe get home sooner with it and maybe when the prot os closed to just keep traveling. Some states will rquire you to stop and show your permit to them at each scale. One reason for the route through Vaughn that scale is not always open. Of course that is just one of the several you may see. Ks and OK might offer you a harvet permit just a unlikely possibility since it is a combine though old as the devil. Those used to be about 35.00 each and an over size i believe was about the same. Do look at a route and checkl for constrcution on it and check for up coming construction so you don't have some big detours for it. Like the one at KS between Sharon Springs and Weskan. CO will set a portable trailer some times out west of Cheyenne Wells checking things. I got stopped there one terrible snowy day .I asked, seemed like a terribble day for that and they agreed.
 
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Charlie since posting the last reply. I was looking at a model running on youtube . It is just setting there running in the driveway. looking at that if the drives and an auger would come apart you could take the frame and cut it off between the engine /drive section and the separator section then just weld them back together with the same spacing as before cut. Just a thought and would probably make you legal width. Would not be a terrible thing to do it that way . With this older equipment some times things need to be done. IF you ever saw the torch work they do to put things in containers to ship would scare you to think somebody would weld it back together and then use it. Some pretty big stuff is shipped that way.
 
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Hello Caterpillar Guy,

Thank you for you help and advice.

I have discovered that AZ will not issue a permit without a DOT number. Also their website states the vehicle must be registered for 80,000 lbs. I am disappointed. The math computations have been confirmed with scale drawing, the tilted load does not overhang trailer and maximum height 13 feet.

You have given me much information, but the point most well taken is how much grief a shifted load would produce. Generally I'm belt AND suspenders, more than one binder has to fail before load will move on trailer.

I am putting next efforts on the details of tilting the load. It might be a partial crate. And yes I agree the grain spout will need to come off, maybe the grain tank too.

BTW, do you collect something in particular?

Cheers
 

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I was just looking at a video from humble acres. Just the front page without looking at the video itself , I believe if you could easily remove the grain bin and wheel you would narrow it up enough to be legal width or very close to it. IF only an inch and run at night it would never be seen if need be. Not telling you to do it this way just a possible option. With the bin sticking up some and the hump back of the straw rack I don't see how tilting it up without going an excessive amount would help much for getting it narrowed up. You are talking about lifting one side about 3 feet or more to accomplish this. IF you are going to go that much make a frame that will set in a couple stake pockets to keep it from working out from under it. You would also be able to use a chain to hold it from slipping out at the top side. With a couple chains also holding it against the machine from sliding off the lower side crosswise of the trailer. I have trouble wrapping my head around the semi sized truck needed for a permit in AZ . Did you talk to Transport permits to see what they had to say about this.? Reason for asking is I had a annual permit for ID once that required escorts for all 2 lane highways and I was going to use a section of US 20 towards Ashton and Driggs ID that was part way 4 lane with a divider median in the middle the person that answered the phone had to ask around the office about that and the consensus was that I was legal til I got to the 2 lane portion of the highway. Saves me about 30 miles of escort car cost. Looking at the requirements for AZ it does say that about the size being registered for 80,000 though I believe if you can reach somebody in the permit office or stop at a port of entry and talk to somebody it would be resolved in some way for you with a better understanding of the issue. IF not then there is always the thought of meeting somebody with a detach trailer long enough to back you trailer on to it unhitch tie it down and go problem solved with the least work on thew road and then just pull it off at the house or very close to it. Other wise depending on how far into AZ you have to travel which would be a rather substantial amount from my knowledge of AZ just use other roads and travel a route without any scales on it. Though I would not tell you to do this it would be your option and at your own risk to do this. I would however make a trip to a port of entry and talk to them and if you get a green light get the name and badge number of the office telling you this. I have had times where the officer stopping me would contact that officer and then let me go on my way that way. I got into an issue with a load in IL about the permit width on a piece of farm equipment with no permit and being wide with it. The guy wanted to keep me at the farmers place over night and try to get me fined for not having a permit. He called all over the state to different scales till he found one guy that told him I was right so he then let me go on my way after tying up a couple hours of my time to drive.
 
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I never heard from you so I guessed you either moved it alright or gave up on it. What did you find out from AZ if you called them? I'm curious there myself. Seems strange it would have to be on a semi for an oversize permit there. I see oversize loads pulled with pickups all the time in other states. MI does say right on the provision sheet section of their permits that you need a ton and a half truck for oversized loads and then permit a load for a pickup pulling it. And just a 3/4 ton pickup hooked to the load.
 
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