Ford 3600 and the fasco1200 loader

[ManaFarmandForge]

Hello all! Been about 6 months since I bought a loader that was to small for my tractor. I found a loader for 200 that so far seems to fit the bill. Only kicker is it has hydraulics for up and hydraulics for bucket control. After about a month of online reading and going through many different manuals it looks like I need a double control remote valve. The fasco 1200 loader is a light loader and according to the seller is the correct size I need for my loader.

Learned my lesson the first time and have asked for plenty of measurements this time as well with questions on how he ran it and how his hookup was. I have never installed a loader before but this looks like all I will need to do is replace my existing hydraulic controller (under the seat) with a dual lever hydraulic controller with 3 hose connections. I can't find one here on yesterday's parts but I found one on ag state sales for 700. With this loader rated for the 3000 tractor I am assuming my flow rate will be able to handle a double lever controller. My work load estimate is shoveling horse poop, chicken poop, and occasionally picking up my anvil. So im not asking it to move wet snow or lift logs.

The reason I make this thread is for someone to tell me no this is a bad idea. For about 1100 dollars total on this project I can finally have a loader on the tractor I love. Or do you have any tips or helpful information on hydraulics and what else I might be missing when I finally get a loader home that fits the tractor. I have never worked with hydraulics before and would like to successfully have a loader on before winter because I hate wrenching on frozen dirt.

 

[Destroked 450]

Does the loader have a valve with controls, I have no knowledge of that brand but plumbing one is fairly straight forward
Can you post a photo of the loader

 

[ManaFarmandForge]

Here are the pictures of the sale post. From talking to the guy who took it off his tractor he used a dual remote control valve on his tractor and did direct hookup with 3 hoses to that remote controller. The loader itself only has hoses no remote controller.

 

[Destroked 450]

You said the loader was rated for your 3000, did it come off of a 3000 or similar model
I’m not a fan of the aftermarket remote valves available today and don’t really like operating a loader from the rear remotes, but I have equipment that needs use on the rear remotes to operate
A remote mounted loader valve mounted to the loaders upright post is usually much cheaper than a dual remote under the seat, plus it puts the controls within easy reach with the possibility of a joystick
However the cost of remaking the hoses to work with said loader valve can easily eat up any savings on valve cost
I mounted this valve on a neighbors tractor, the valve was less than $400 but by the time we go the hoses made up we were at your number or a little more

If you do decide to replace your present remote with a dual remote DO NOT use sealer on the o-rings, we are still chasing hydraulic flow problems on a 4630 some had added a remote valve to

 

[Texasmark]

If I remember correctly you can put a plate (about 1" thick) under the remote control plate, with the port location shown in the picture, that has 2 ports on the side for 1/2" hydraulic NPT hose fittings....pressure and return. Both connect to an after market, you install, dual control, Open Flow, Cross to name one mfgr. Fluid just flows through the control, in to out and goes on to the rear remote and to the 3 PT. Find a convenient place to mount it. I added one to a 3000 (predecessor to the 3600) and had room between the seat and fender to mount it on the rear axle where I could drop my left and the controls would be in easy reach.

I bought my control and hoses off TSC but with the internet, you can probably get them at several places, maybe on here or ebay, or amazon. This plate is tapping into the main hyd. pressure from the hyd. pump and a return to the hyd. sump. The open flow runs flow continuously and the pressure is regulated by the position of the 3 PT with the 3 PT getting flow at the end and contains a pressure relief valve to set the pressure. If the 3 PT is all the way up that valve sets hyd. pressure. If not in the full up position, the system pressure is set by the pump.....or something like that....memory is a tad rusty.

Since you seem to have a rear remote access already, I don't know why you couldn't slip another access plate under it, replace the mounting screws with longer and accomplish your goal.

 

[ManaFarmandForge]

This is coming off of a 3000 series and I have a 3600. The measurements and reading the manual makes me think it will actually fit. As for the remote controller I am not a fan of it being under the seat as it makes it awkward to access. I can reach it bending down but my wife cant reach it very well at all due to a bad hip stopping her from twisting down to reach under the seat. Do you have any recommendations that could allow me to utilize my tractors Hydraulics but have a remote contoller that I can install on the loader itself so its at wheel height instead of under the seat?

 

[Texasmark]

The 3600 is just the next generation of the 3000. I have both tractors and the hydraulic plate sitting between your legs is the same.

 

[ManaFarmandForge]

Wish I could have picked up the loader. Guess the guy thought 6 hours was to far of a drive for someone to make for it. So instead of letting me pick it up sunday he sold it to another guy. I guess the hunt continues for a loader.

 

[Destroked 450]

Google hydraulic adapter hv5902 and then joy stick loader valve

 

[Destroked 450]

The adapter will go between the lift top and your present remote valve
You’ll have to makeup a bracket to mount the joy stick valve onto the loaders frame

 

[Destroked 450]

Wish I could have picked up the loader. Guess the guy thought 6 hours was to far of a drive for someone to make for it. So instead of letting me pick it up sunday he sold it to another guy. I guess the hunt continues for a loader.

That’s to bad
Where are you located

 

[ManaFarmandForge]

That’s to bad
Where are you located

Most northern portion of Michigan. Found a place by Detroit that has a 3600 gas with a 730 on it that I'm waiting on a call back if they will separate. But that's a 9 hour drive one way lol. So if that dealership will separate then it comes with a front crank pump and side lever controls so I won't have to worry about re-seating any onboard hydraulics. I think the farthest I'm willing to drive for a loader would be 12 hours. Because then Id have to stay over night on the road instead of doing it all in 1 day.

 

[Destroked 450]

Most northern portion of Michigan. Found a place by Detroit that has a 3600 gas with a 730 on it that I'm waiting on a call back if they will separate. But that's a 9 hour drive one way lol. So if that dealership will separate then it comes with a front crank pump and side lever controls so I won't have to worry about re-seating any onboard hydraulics. I think the farthest I'm willing to drive for a loader would be 12 hours. Because then Id have to stay over night on the road instead of doing it all in 1 day.

My brother has a 730 loader on his 3400 industrial, that’s a pretty healthy loader for a 3600 ag model, it weighs a little over 1400 lbs
We are looking at replacing his with a Farm Hand 22 quick attach
His tractor is gas and accessing the carb and distributor is fairly difficult with the 730 loader

 

[Texasmark]

The adapter will go between the lift top and your present remote valve
You’ll have to makeup a bracket to mount the joy stick valve onto the loaders frame

Well that's what I said!

 

[Destroked 450]

Well that's what I said!

Doesn’t matter they sold the loader before he could go get it

 

[petebert]

Did this get answered? I have a 3600 with a loader. The controls sit on the "remote" plate between my legs but I don't have remotes. It's my understanding I can have loader controls this way or remotes but not both. Or am I completely missing the question? My 3600 has an old massey loader on it and it will lift anything. The loaded rear tires will start to lift before the loader can't lift.

 

[Texasmark]

I don't know why you can't. The system is open centered meaning fluid flows all the time. The fluid goes up and into that box, hits the lid and comes back down to go to feed the 3 pt. If you can stack an outlet between the box and the lid no reason you can't stack a second one....you just can't expect to have 100% performance out of the two simultaneously since the pressure will go to the load of the least resort......but who is going to run their loader and remote simultaneously...you only have 2 hands, one on the wheel and the other operating a function....3pt, loader, or rermote.

 

[will-max dairy]

Here are the pictures of the sale post. From talking to the guy who took it off his tractor he used a dual remote control valve on his tractor and did direct hookup with 3 hoses to that remote controller. The loader itself only has hoses no remote controller.

Good luck finding a loader, sincerely.

Looking at the pictures, maybe you lucked out by not getting the one you were looking at.

Many of those old loaders had buckets on them that were... "optimistic." That bucket appears to be about 7' wide.

If you put a bucket that big on a two wheel drive Ford 3600, think about your front spindles. Keep the loads light, and drive on solid ground when the bucket is loaded.

As for those remotes under the seat.... yeah... ugh... I had a Ford 3000, same setup. I used to run the haybine with it. Let's say you are mowing hay, and it plugs. You need to stop, shift to reverse, pick up the haybine, shift back to forward, put the haybine back down...

Doing that process is similar to what you would do with a loader... and doing it will get you 5 style points from the Russian judge on your floor routine...

If you are just picking something up and putting it down, here and there, using the remote levers under your seat would be bearable.

If you are cleaning up a manure pile, by doing a hundred scoops with that setup, you'll need to be medicated for tedium.

My brother runs a John Deere 1520 with a loader on it... similar size tractor... it is a whole different animal with about 1000 pounds of ballast on the 3pt hitch. Otherwise, the loader can easily overmatch the tractor.