Hydraulic lift plow hoses.

[BarnyardEngineering]

You guys are thinking live swivels. He is talking hoses with female pipe or JIC swivel ends. Commonly used, no more expensive than hoses with rigid male pipe ends, and a lot more convenient.

TOH

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JIC is not compatible with "pipe thread." All bringing JIC into the picture does is make you buy more adapters.

The cylinder is pipe thread. The ends are pipe thread. There is no need to get anything more than a simple pipe thread hose.

Even tractor supply prices are competitive when you factor in Surplus Center's shipping charges.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

The hydraulic industry pretty much abandoned taper pipe

Literally every new "farm duty" hydraulic cylinder, like the ones you can get at Tractor Supply, and pioneer end is NPT. Doesn't appear to be abandoned to me.

What drives me up a wall is manufacturers using 3-4 different types of fittings on their machines. Loader cylinders often have ORB ports on them. Then they put an elbow on that adapts them to JIC. A short length of hose to the hard lines, where they use compression fittings. On the other end of the hard line is another compression fitting, and the hose running to the tractor ends in JIC, where an adapter is used to go from JIC to NPT for the pioneer end.

 

[TheOldHokie]

Literally every new "farm duty" hydraulic cylinder, like the ones you can get at Tractor Supply, and pioneer end is NPT. Doesn't appear to be abandoned to me.

What drives me up a wall is manufacturers using 3-4 different types of fittings on their machines. Loader cylinders often have ORB ports on them. Then they put an elbow on that adapts them to JIC. A short length of hose to the hard lines, where they use compression fittings. On the other end of the hard line is another compression fitting, and the hose running to the tractor ends in JIC, where an adapter is used to go from JIC to NPT for the pioneer end.

So tractor loader cylinders are not farm duty? I think you are stretching. I buy a lot of hydrauluc components including valves and cylinders and the vast majority of the ports are either ORB or BSPP. And I dont buy my hydraulic components at TSC because they have a limited stock of inferior and overpriced items targeted at DIY tractor owners that don't know much other than household plumbing and pipe dope/tape.

I will also point out you cannot connect a hose between two rigid end points without using a swivel of some sort.

Dan

 

[farmersamm]

I've always found NPT to be more robust. No tightening problems like JIC, which you can overtighten. NPT also does well when lightly tightened using Teflon tape(I know it's frowned upon, but I've never had trouble).

ORB can be a problem in an area that doesn't have well stocked hose builders. Large fittings are generally, around here, only findable in Tulsa. Long trip for a hose.

But sometimes, if you have space restraints, or other issues.................you might wind up using a combination of styles. I guess it just depends.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

So tractor loader cylinders are not farm duty? I think you are stretching. I buy a lot of hydrauluc components including valves and cylinders and the vast majority of the ports are either ORB or BSPP. And I dont buy my hydraulic components at TSC because they have a limited stock of inferior and overpriced items targeted at DIY tractor owners that don't know much other than household plumbing and pipe dope/tape.

I will also point out you cannot connect a hose between two rigid end points without using a swivel of some sort.

Dan

I pointed that out early on in the thread.

"Farm duty" for lack of a better term, are generic cylinders. Tractor Supply is only an example of where you can obtain them from. But, you knew that. You knew exactly what I meant, but you chose the path of "feigned ignorance" to... win? I guess?

Generic tie rod style cylinders are almost exclusively NPT. Trailer plows use generic tie rod style cylinders. Most antique equipment uses generic tie rod style cylinders. You can get them at machinery dealers, farm fleet stores... Everyone's beloved Surplus Center has 1000's of them in stock and ready to ship.

Loader cylinders are not generic. They're specific to the loader. The manufacturer can use any style of fitting they want, and they usually use ALL of them for some reason.

 

[TheOldHokie]

I pointed that out early on in the thread.

"Farm duty" for lack of a better term, are generic cylinders. Tractor Supply is only an example of where you can obtain them from. But, you knew that. You knew exactly what I meant, but you chose the path of "feigned ignorance" to... win? I guess?

Generic tie rod style cylinders are almost exclusively NPT. Trailer plows use generic tie rod style cylinders. Most antique equipment uses generic tie rod style cylinders. You can get them at machinery dealers, farm fleet stores... Everyone's beloved Surplus Center has 1000's of them in stock and ready to ship.

Loader cylinders are not generic. They're specific to the loader. The manufacturer can use any style of fitting they want, and they usually use ALL of them for some reason.

I feigned nothing and I dont have to win. I have an opinion just like you and I will promote it just like you. Feel free to plumb hydraulics your way and I will do the same. Personally I dislike NPT for multiple good reasons and avoid it as much as possible. When someone asks for advice on a public forum thats what they are going to hear from me.

TOH

 

[farmersamm]

I pointed that out early on in the thread.

"Farm duty" for lack of a better term, are generic cylinders. Tractor Supply is only an example of where you can obtain them from. But, you knew that. You knew exactly what I meant, but you chose the path of "feigned ignorance" to... win? I guess?

Generic tie rod style cylinders are almost exclusively NPT. Trailer plows use generic tie rod style cylinders. Most antique equipment uses generic tie rod style cylinders. You can get them at machinery dealers, farm fleet stores... Everyone's beloved Surplus Center has 1000's of them in stock and ready to ship.

Loader cylinders are not generic. They're specific to the loader. The manufacturer can use any style of fitting they want, and they usually use ALL of them for some reason.

My loader cylinders are generic

But I gotta roll-your-own loader

 

[farmersamm]

No matter what fitting you prefer.............it will NOT be on the shelf at the store when you desperately need it.

Edit: So........................you go out, and order the fanciest parts bin system your pocketbook can afford. Stock it with all manner of bolts, pins, fittings............and everything else known to Man.

And, when the time comes....................YOU STILL DON'T HAVE THE FITTING.........because you used all 4 of them you had in your fancy bin, and didn't restock.

 

[farmersamm]

So............you take a trip to town........which sucks..........all they have is a McDonalds for eats.

If it's a rare fitting.............in some respects it's a bonus............you get to take a trip to Tulsa.........Where they have Carl's Junior

 

[stevieb49829]

No matter what fitting you prefer.............it will NOT be on the shelf at the store when you desperately need it.

Edit: So........................you go out, and order the fanciest parts bin system your pocketbook can afford. Stock it with all manner of bolts, pins, fittings............and everything else known to Man.

And, when the time comes....................YOU STILL DON'T HAVE THE FITTING.........because you used all 4 of them you had in your fancy bin, and didn't restock.

I recently had the opportunity to track down an ORB to JIC double male fitting for my homemade power steering. The hydraulic shop had it in stock, but my wife was halfway home from town when I accomplished this. Town is 30 miles away. The counterman asked where I lived, which turned out to be on HIS way home from work. We met at a turnout and he delivered the $4 fitting to me, free. They are now my go-to hydraulic suppliers. steve

 

[TheOldHokie]

No matter what fitting you prefer.............it will NOT be on the shelf at the store when you desperately need it.

Well there are two Parker stores nearby and they stock everything from NPT and JIC to JIS and Komatsu so I like my chances there

Of course that comes at a very hefty price when they ring it up

For conventional fittings I also have a pretty good chance right here in my shop and the prices are much better.....

TOH

 

[stevieb49829]

No matter what fitting you prefer.............it will NOT be on the shelf at the store when you desperately need it.

Edit: So........................you go out, and order the fanciest parts bin system your pocketbook can afford. Stock it with all manner of bolts, pins, fittings............and everything else known to Man.

And, when the time comes....................YOU STILL DON'T HAVE THE FITTING.........because you used all 4 of them you had in your fancy bin, and didn't restock.

When I'm at the scrap yard, I'm usually getting something very specific, and it usually weighs less than my $3 minimum charge. So I salvage hydraulic fittings off of scrap equipment and put them in my fancy bin system (coffee cans). The problem is the neighborhood knows about my cans of hydraulic fittings, and most of them have tractors that need fixing. steve

 

[stevieb49829]

Yes I know this is YT but there is no need to be stuck in the past.

Here is a modern tractor. The hydraulic cylinders on the loader have NPT ports with male NPT to male JIC fittings. ALL of the hoses have JIC female swivel ends on them. The female quick connects for the loader valve have NPT ports and those hose ends have male NPT ends just like the OP is using. The hydrauluc top link has ORB ports and the two 90° hose ends on are male ORB live swivels that allow the hoses to change angles to match the movement of the cylinder Everything else on that tractor is either BSPP, ORB, or JIC.

The hydraulic industry pretty much abandoned taper pipe which requires a thread sealant decades ago in favor of much more reliable and easier to use ports and couplings with elastomeric or metal to metal face seals.

Dan

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I've always wondered how many of those Kabota hoses get caught and ripped off, or the junction block under the footrest succumbs to a large rock or log? My BIL has one. steve

 

[stevieb49829]

Thanks to everyone for the responses and information. Here is what I'm trying to do. A Case hydraulic 3-14 trailer plow, 1955 Case 400. The cylinder has 90* 1/2" NPT ends, the tractor has the original Case breakaway couplers. I already have the Case Male plugs for the tractor side. So basically I am asking if I want two swivel ends or just one swivel end on each hose. Also, if only one swivel end on the hose, which end swivels, the tractor or the cylinder? I'm a 20 year old and It's my first tractor and plow. BTW, the tractor is 45 miles from my house, so I can't just run outside and work on it. You all on here have helped me.

Just think about what you have to do to tighten the hose. If you have to spin the hose to spin the fitting on the end of it, you want a swivel end on the hose at that point. If you have the ability to spin the joint, such as a quick-connect, then you don't need a swivel at the end of the hose. Sorry Jim, I did it again. steve

 

[farmersamm]

So............you take a trip to town........which sucks..........all they have is a McDonalds for eats.

If it's a rare fitting.............in some respects it's a bonus............you get to take a trip to Tulsa.........Where they have Carl's JuniorView attachment 95870

While we're at it................short story related to hamburgers.

Back in 2022(judging by the date on the pic) I was doing some heat shrinking. In a hurry, and wasn't wearing gloves. I ALWAYS WEAR GLOVES WHEN DOING HOT WORK.

So anyways..............I managed to run a 500,000Btu heating torch across the top of my hand. Never never never never use a long torch with your left hand if you're right handed.

Ran that sucker right across the top of my right hand. I mean it was like slow motion.............watched it happen. Couldn't do a thing about it. Many accidents happen this way.

Hustled on up in the house to run the hand under cold water from the tap. IT DIDN'T ACTUALLY HURT THAT BAD.

Bandaged it up with some Neosporin. This was Friday afternoon.

Liked the Minions so bought the kit ROFLMAO Sits there waiting for Old Man Brain Frts.

So, by Sunday morning, it was starting to really bother me. It hurt pretty bad.

I don't figure it's getting any better. Been listening to K'kins for 2 days telling me to go to an ER. About this time, I listened.

Turned out it was a fairly decent 2nd degree burn. The pain was a good sign. The flesh hadn't been destroyed deep enough to ruin the nerves. They popped some Fentanyl in me, debreeded the thing, and we went on our way.

IT WAS AFTERNOON WHEN WE GOT OUT OF THE ER.............................SO BABE...............LET'S HIT CARL'S ON THE WAY HOME. She gave me the look, and folded her hands on her lap. At least I keep her on her toes. She's the best thing that ever happened to me.

Took about a year for the stupid thing to fully heal. Looked like some kinda horror show when the skin started growing back.

If you ever have this happen................get it wet and cold FAST, get yer butt to the ER, and make sure the outpatient care involves Silver Pads. They kill the bacteria, and prevent infection in a burn wound...........allowing it to heal.

Anyways.............that's my Carl's Junior tale......................................

 

[farmersamm]

Aw HELL................the bandage pic is WITH THE SILVER PAD UNDER THE GAUZE. It was AFTER the ER visit. My bad..........sorry.

 

[TheOldHokie]

I've always wondered how many of those Kabota hoses get caught and ripped off, or the jun

ction block under the footrest succumbs to a large rock or log? My BIL has one. steve

 

[TheOldHokie]

I've always wondered how many of those Kabota hoses get caught and ripped off, or the junction block under the footrest succumbs to a large rock or log? My BIL has one. steve

Actually the hydraulic filter and step seems ro protect them plus they are strong NPSF ports

There are a number of aftermarket skid plates available but Kubota should have known better. That location is pecuiiar to the 25-60 HP open station "economy" models. They did do better on both the smaller and the larger and more expensive models.

TOH

 

[TheOldHokie]

Opps...

 

[will-max dairy]

Yes I know this is YT but there is no need to be stuck in the past.

Here is a modern tractor. The hydraulic cylinders on the loader have NPT ports with male NPT to male JIC fittings. ALL of the hoses have JIC female swivel ends on them. The female quick connects for the loader valve have NPT ports and those hose ends have male NPT ends just like the OP is using. The hydrauluc top link has ORB ports and the two 90° hose ends on are male ORB live swivels that allow the hoses to change angles to match the movement of the cylinder Everything else on that tractor is either BSPP, ORB, or JIC.

The hydraulic industry pretty much abandoned taper pipe which requires a thread sealant decades ago in favor of much more reliable and easier to use ports and couplings with elastomeric or metal to metal face seals.

Dan

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Judging from the circled decal in the photo... looks like you replaced a single joystick controller with that two lever spooler mechanism?

I'm curious, because we just had an issue on our joystick loader (Mahindra) control; where the base of the joystick failed. Guess what? You can't get the part. You CAN buy a whole joystick, for 1100 bucks.

What we ended up doing was using a proper sized hex nut as the center and welding a couple of steel bushings to flats of the hex nut to replicate the shape of the original cast part.

I'm wondering if you ran into a ridiculously expensive joystick controller repair yourself and just decided to delete it.

As for Barnyard Engineering's comments about modern manufacturers using an alphabet soup of connector types.

I hold up my hand and exclaim an "Amen".

As for whether these newer types (especially the elastomeric) are more reliable than NPT... I don't know. I only have my sample of one. But I keep a little bag of O-rings on hand for my new (2018 Mahindra 6075) loader that has a few elastomerically-sealed couplers; because the o-rings just plain decide to give out at random times. It's a quick replacement; but still a nuisance.