Koiti DK 5510 ?

[warddog]

I have a 2018 Kioti DK 5510 and just had the 50 hour service done. YES, that is correct 50 hours. Since then I have had the water in fuel light and the CEL light come on. I had put a few gallons of fuel from one gas station after and have since added diesel fuel additive for water and drained the fuel filter. Today I was brush hogging and the water in fuel light didn't come on but the CEL did. I shut the tractor down, checked the oil and water even though no other guages were lite up other than the CEL. I started it back up and no CEL so went back to brush hogging and about a half hour later it came back on. Shut it down in the field and waited a couple of minutes and started it up with no CEL lite on. Went about another half hour and back on it came. I have a service manual for it but it doesn't mention a thing about the CEL lite coming on in the troubleshooting guide or anywhere else for that matter. I hate to take it back to the dealer as that means I have to have them haul it to and fro. Any ideas as to what may be the problem?

 

[Jim.ME]

I have a 2018 Kioti DK 5510 and just had the 50 hour service done. YES, that is correct 50 hours. Since then I have had the water in fuel light and the CEL light come on. I had put a few gallons of fuel from one gas station after and have since added diesel fuel additive for water and drained the fuel filter. Today I was brush hogging and the water in fuel light didn't come on but the CEL did. I shut the tractor down, checked the oil and water even though no other guages were lite up other than the CEL. I started it back up and no CEL so went back to brush hogging and about a half hour later it came back on. Shut it down in the field and waited a couple of minutes and started it up with no CEL lite on. Went about another half hour and back on it came. I have a service manual for it but it doesn't mention a thing about the CEL lite coming on in the troubleshooting guide or anywhere else for that matter. I hate to take it back to the dealer as that means I have to have them haul it to and fro. Any ideas as to what may be the problem?

Does the Operator's manual tell the things that will trigger the CEL? Knowing the things that trigger it will point you to where to start checking.

Did you do the 50 hour service? Did wiring and connectors get moved around during that process? there might be a bad connection somewhere.

Did you get water from the fuel filter when you drained it? There might be more.

Is there a procedure to clear and reset the CEL? If so, have you done that?

 

[warddog]

Does the Operator's manual tell the things that will trigger the CEL? Knowing the things that trigger it will point you to where to start checking.

Did you do the 50 hour service? Did wiring and connectors get moved around during that process? there might be a bad connection somewhere.

Did you get water from the fuel filter when you drained it? There might be more.

Is there a procedure to clear and reset the CEL? If so, have you done that?

NO, the manual, I have said nothing about the CEL other than it is there on the dash. The 50 hour service was performed by the dealer. I did the fuel filter draining myself and checked the water in fuel sensor plug numerous times. If there was water in the fuel it wasn't much at all as I couldn't really see any AND I put a lot of diesel fuel water additive in the tank when I filled it. This tank is about half the size as the bottle would treat. Of course, the guy I spoke to at the dealer about the water in fuel didn't really have much to say other than to drain the filter which is what I did. My shop manual neglects to show general trouble shooting and rather it breaks chapters down to engine, transmission, front axle, rear dif, electronics etc BUT nothing about the CEL. That is why I asked here as maybe someone has more info on what triggers that CEL. I know my vehicles have the OBDII that I can plug into them and fine fault codes but I have no idea on this KIOTI tractor but the manual goes into some information about some kind of app that I have no clue of.

 

[Jim.ME]

I understand you said the service manual you have doesn't tell you about the CEL. I asked if there was info in the Operator's Manual. Those will often say what to check if the CEL comes on. Then you could go to the appropriate section of the service manual.

 

[warddog]

I understand you said the service manual you have doesn't tell you about the CEL. I asked if there was info in the Operator's Manual. Those will often say what to check if the CEL comes on. Then you could go to the appropriate section of the service manual.

I did NOT get any manuals with the tractor and had to purchase the service manual. I will try to find an operators manual.

 

[Jim.ME]

I did NOT get any manuals with the tractor and had to purchase the service manual. I will try to find an operators manual.

If you bought it new, they should have given you an Operator's Manual for it when you received the tractor. I haven't found an online copy of an Operator's Manual for a 5510 but did find a 5520 manual in the Koiti website (you can down load manuals there). For the 5520 where they show the CEL indicator they say to contact the dealer if it comes on when operating, so it looks like an Operator's Manual may not help.

Did you talk to the deal about the CEL coming on, not just for the water?

You said 2018 unit. Does it use DEF? Does it have a RE-gen system? It likely has computer controls enough that a dealer may need to plug into it to check it out and clear if something has set. It likely has a Koiti system similar to the OBDII, but you would need to purchase their software and hardware to connect to it.

 

[warddog]

If you bought it new, they should have given you an Operator's Manual for it when you received the tractor. I haven't found an online copy of an Operator's Manual for a 5510 but did find a 5520 manual in the Koiti website (you can down load manuals there). For the 5520 where they show the CEL indicator they say to contact the dealer if it comes on when operating, so it looks like an Operator's Manual may not help.

Did you talk to the deal about the CEL coming on, not just for the water?

You said 2018 unit. Does it use DEF? Does it have a RE-gen system? It likely has computer controls enough that a dealer may need to plug into it to check it out and clear if something has set. It likely has a Koiti system similar to the OBDII, but you would need to purchase their software and hardware to connect to it.

I bought the tractor used with about 13 hours on it and the dealer I go to is the one that sold it to his sister-in-law's boyfriend. I can't find much on the DK 5510 either. I have spoken to a guy at the dealer about the water in fuel lite as well as the CEL coming on and he told me to drain the fuel filter, which I did and had a very hard time priming the filter with the hand pump which is why I went to speak to the dealer to begin with. As I research this fuel filter priming, I found out the water in fuel lite issue and the fuel filter priming via the hand pump seems to be common problems. Truth is the guy at the dealer didn't seem to know a lot about the Kioti tractor and dug out an operators manual for another model. I did however find out to just remove the filter and fill it with fuel and put it back on and NOT risk the getting air in the fuel line as that was my major concern. The tractor does not use DEF and does have a RE-GEN system. I believe it does have a system similar to the OBDII and I'm going to have to make a trip back to the dealer to inquire about it. This dealer is more of a diesel repair shop rather than an agriculture equipment dealer but sells the Kioti tractors as well as some lawn equipment on the side, so I suspect they do NOT do much Kioti work.

 

[Butch(OH)]

Does the Operator's manual tell the things that will trigger the CEL? Knowing the things that trigger it will point you to where to start checking.

Did you do the 50 hour service? Did wiring and connectors get moved around during that process? there might be a bad connection somewhere.

Did you get water from the fuel filter when you drained it? There might be more.

Is there a procedure to clear and reset the CEL? If so, have you done that?

Just curious Jim if you have ever looked in a Kioti manual? The one for the 6010 I run is virtually worthless, 2/3 of it is illegible due to poor translation,
1/2 of its is wrong for the tractor. Just saying.

 

[Jim.ME]

Just curious Jim if you have ever looked in a Kioti manual? The one for the 6010 I run is virtually worthless, 2/3 of it is illegible due to poor translation,
1/2 of its is wrong for the tractor. Just saying.

Only the one I mentioned looking at online, which I said didn't look like it would be much help. I was asking questions looking for possibilities of what info might be available and if there were other possible causes.

You have some Kioti experience, any ideas to help him from things you have encountered?

 

[Butch(OH)]

Only the one I mentioned looking at online, which I said didn't look like it would be much help. I was asking questions looking for possibilities of what info might be available and if there were other possible causes.

You have some Kioti experience, any ideas to help him from things you have encountered?

Actually I do not. I am weak on basic electric and non existent on electronics. All the issues we have had are electronic faults, none have been fixed and we put up with it. We have had 3 dealers since it was new, all dropped Kioti due to not paying for warrenty work.

 

[Kent2255]

First thing I would try is a manual regen. Get the tractor up to operating temp, lock the brakes and put it neutral. Hold the regen switch for two seconds and the engine should ramp up in rpms. The exhaust sound will change tone and could put out some whitish smoke. The rpms will stay ramped up until the regen is complete. It could take 30/40 minutes. It will idle down on its own when completed. Do you run the tractor at higher rpms most of the time? Idling around is horrible on these engines.