Prayers needed for 7 year old girl

I guess I'm the opposite. I'll hit the dog and not swerve to miss for a tree or even a fence post. Don't even swerve for a deer. I have hit a couple that ran out into the truck . Swerving will be more problems in the end. I'm with Doc on the gun thing. How do you mange to firew a gun cleaning it if the cylinder is out of it or the bolt out of a rifle or shotgun? What is the first thing you need to do when you pickup a firearm. Check to see it is empty both magazine and chamber. I was taught never to point on at anything I didn't intend to shoot.
 
I guess I'm the opposite. I'll hit the dog and not swerve to miss for a tree or even a fence post. Don't even swerve for a deer. I have hit a couple that ran out into the truck . Swerving will be more problems in the end. I'm with Doc on the gun thing. How do you mange to firew a gun cleaning it if the cylinder is out of it or the bolt out of a rifle or shotgun? What is the first thing you need to do when you pickup a firearm. Check to see it is empty both magazine and chamber. I was taught never to point on at anything I didn't intend to shoot.
Your "pointing" aspect is certainly good, However, do you know that it had a "cylinder"? What if a semi-auto and mag removed and then while checking for empty chamber & slide slips pot of fingers? Too many unknowns to make all these critical "maybe" comments.
 
Folks, a farmer friend's son was emptying his 9mm pistol, somehow (I don't know the particulars)the gun went off and he shot his 7 year old daughter in the head yesterday. They life flighted her to Columbus where they did surgery on her. Drs said it will be touch and go for awhile but she woke up around midnight and tried to get out of bed (good sign maybe). This afternoon they did something and she said ouch which was a good thing to hear. This is his only daughter out of 3 kids and his baby. Folks if you believe in the power of prayer at all, please say one for her and her dad because He is probably hurting awfully bad right now and you know he certainly blames himself for it all. I know we can all say what ifs and he shouldn't have, but things happen that we can never take back, so please don't, just say a prayer for them.
Prayers have been sent
 
I have never handled one, but I hear Glock you have to pull trigger part way to empty a chambered round. Seen "experts" discharge guns on you tube a few times.
 
Did you ever cut yourself with a knife? That would be careless handling of a knife, and you should not be allowed to have a knife- if your logic is followed.
Have you ever had a car wreck?? and the list could continue.
The girl seems like she's recovering, the dad never will. He will live with that the rest of his life.
I pray both will learn to live with this tragedy.
Not even the same comparison. Cutting yourself with a knife is nowhere in the same ball park as pointing a gun towards your daughter and pulling the trigger. Because that's what happened. The gun didn't "go off", he pulled the trigger while it was pointed toward another human being. That type of negligence is not acceptable. Sorry, no excuses. As a firearm instructor, this crap gets under my skin.

He'll have plenty of time to reflect on this after the coming divorce. He may also be looking at jail time, depending on the state, a negligent discharge can be a criminal act punishable by jail.

I blame crap like this on stupid Glock "Safe Action" pistols and their derivatives. Any gun that requires a trigger pull while in battery in order to disassemble is stupid. This is why so many LEOs end up shooting themselves. This setup makes people comfortable pulling the trigger anytime they "think" the gun is safe, regardless of gun type.

Prayers sent for the little girl.
 
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Folks, a farmer friend's son was emptying his 9mm pistol, somehow (I don't know the particulars)the gun went off and he shot his 7 year old daughter in the head yesterday. They life flighted her to Columbus where they did surgery on her. Drs said it will be touch and go for awhile but she woke up around midnight and tried to get out of bed (good sign maybe). This afternoon they did something and she said ouch which was a good thing to hear. This is his only daughter out of 3 kids and his baby. Folks if you believe in the power of prayer at all, please say one for her and her dad because He is probably hurting awfully bad right now and you know he certainly blames himself for it all. I know we can all say what ifs and he shouldn't have, but things happen that we can never take back, so please don't, just say a prayer for them.
I have never owned a gun and have certainly never emptied (I don't really know what that means) one so I have to yield to the rest of the comments. After reading all the comments I believe the Dad should go to jail. This is absolutely tragic. I know it wasn't intentional and was a mistake but mistakes like this should never happen. Never, never, never.
 
I don't. It was just an example of one type. If it was a semi auto and had the magazine out then he needed to check for one in the camber and be pointing it in a safe direction. Even a pump or lever rifle will keep one on the chamber till it is expelled when the magazine is empty. Pump/slide action shot guns do that also till you work the action with the release lever usually on the lower side of the frame.
 
I don't. It was just an example of one type. If it was a semi auto and had the magazine out then he needed to check for one in the camber and be pointing it in a safe direction. Even a pump or lever rifle will keep one on the chamber till it is expelled when the magazine is empty. Pump/slide action shot guns do that also till you work the action with the release lever usually on the lower side of the frame.
I'm ok with that.
 
I have never owned a gun and have certainly never emptied (I don't really know what that means) one so I have to yield to the rest of the comments. After reading all the comments I believe the Dad should go to jail. This is absolutely tragic. I know it wasn't intentional and was a mistake but mistakes like this should never happen. Never, never, never.
You think you feel bad, how do you suppose the Dad feels? He's already in jail in his mind for the rest of his natural life no matter where he is on the planet.
 
Not even the same comparison. Cutting yourself with a knife is nowhere in the same ball park as pointing a gun towards your daughter and pulling the trigger. Because that's what happened. The gun didn't "go off", he pulled the trigger while it was pointed toward another human being. That type of negligence is not acceptable. Sorry, no excuses. As a firearm instructor, this crap gets under my skin.

He'll have plenty of time to reflect on this after the coming divorce. He may also be looking at jail time, depending on the state, a negligent discharge can be a criminal act punishable by jail.

I blame crap like this on stupid Glock "Safe Action" pistols and their derivatives. Any gun that requires a trigger pull while in battery in order to disassemble is stupid. This is why so many LEOs end up shooting themselves. This setup makes people comfortable pulling the trigger anytime they "think" the gun is safe, regardless of gun type.

Prayers sent for the little girl.
I know nothing of hand guns. I agree that this may not be what I consider accidental. Guns to me are VERY dangerous and must be treated as such. Having said that i hunt and my 9 children hunt and we shoot lots. I am over cautious (maybe) but am very scared of something like this happening if I don't make 100% sure every gun in ALL situations is handled as loaded. Now a hand gun to me could very easily be dropped or slip out of your hand. My hands are 3X large. a small knife or small hand gun in my hand gives no control. If a hand gun slipped out of your hand and you grabbed it before it hit the ground could it go off? That would be an accident and may be what happened. I know of someone who accidentally shot someone in the rear through a wall. carless YES. another thought his muzzle loader was empty and fired off a primer in the house. Now has a hole in the kitchen cupboard to remind him how stupid he was. we don't know what happened here and i hope all learn and everyone that hears about it learns, and all turns out well for the family. There are no do overs when guns are involved. cut yourself with a knife, cut someone else with a knife, lose a finger, those are not life threatening as a rule, with guns it is a total different story.
 
I know nothing of hand guns. I agree that this may not be what I consider accidental. Guns to me are VERY dangerous and must be treated as such. Having said that i hunt and my 9 children hunt and we shoot lots. I am over cautious (maybe) but am very scared of something like this happening if I don't make 100% sure every gun in ALL situations is handled as loaded. Now a hand gun to me could very easily be dropped or slip out of your hand. My hands are 3X large. a small knife or small hand gun in my hand gives no control. If a hand gun slipped out of your hand and you grabbed it before it hit the ground could it go off? That would be an accident and may be what happened. I know of someone who accidentally shot someone in the rear through a wall. carless YES. another thought his muzzle loader was empty and fired off a primer in the house. Now has a hole in the kitchen cupboard to remind him how stupid he was. we don't know what happened here and i hope all learn and everyone that hears about it learns, and all turns out well for the family. There are no do overs when guns are involved. cut yourself with a knife, cut someone else with a knife, lose a finger, those are not life threatening as a rule, with guns it is a total different story.
Your scenario of a dropped gun and catching it is why a loaded firearm, when dropped, should be allowed to continue its fall. Under no circumstances should it be grabbed for, that is how a negligent discharge in that scenario is most likely to happen. No gun (that isn't worn out, or an antique) should fire when dropped.

And before anyone says, "But the 1911...", if a 1911 is being carried Condition 1 (cocked and locked, as intended), it won't drop fire. Yes, original 1911s will drop fire in Condition 2 (loaded chamber, hammer down, a no no in my book) most modern 1911s have a firing pin block to keep this from happening, even still, Condition 2 is not a safe carry option. The military taught soldiers to carry Condition 3 (empty chamber, hammer down), this will also prevent drop fires.

Old revolvers will drop fire if carried hammer down over a loaded chamber, this is why most carried them with an empty chamber under the hammer. Some revolvers had safety notches halfway between chambers to make them safe to carry with a full cylinder. Mid-20th Century up revolvers employ some form of transfer bar system that makes them safe to carry hammer down over a cylinder because there is a block between hammer and firing pin that only moves if the firing sequence is correct.

My EDC is a double action only semi-auto. The enclosed hammer is in a half-cock position when the slide is cycled to load the chamber. I must admit it has slipped out of my hand more than once when unholstering in the evening with no firing or other issues. But, I never upholster or clear my EDC in the company of others, so the only I was exposed to any risk.

That brings us to the Sig P320, a striker fired gun, which is known to drop fire in its original form. Those guns were recalled, and hopefully owners have sent them in for repair.

Having been a 4H firearms instructor over 10 years, when you're dealing with kids, you're going to have drops, and we've never had a negligent discharge. If all protocols are followed (muzzle pointed in safe direction, finger off the trigger, etc) everyone should be fine. This is where proper firearm training shines. When one is instructed the how's and why's with an unloaded firearm, loaded handling should be safe as well.
 
Folks, a farmer friend's son was emptying his 9mm pistol, somehow (I don't know the particulars)the gun went off and he shot his 7 year old daughter in the head yesterday. They life flighted her to Columbus where they did surgery on her. Drs said it will be touch and go for awhile but she woke up around midnight and tried to get out of bed (good sign maybe). This afternoon they did something and she said ouch which was a good thing to hear. This is his only daughter out of 3 kids and his baby. Folks if you believe in the power of prayer at all, please say one for her and her dad because He is probably hurting awfully bad right now and you know he certainly blames himself for it all. I know we can all say what ifs and he shouldn't have, but things happen that we can never take back, so please don't, just say a prayer for them.
 
Folks, a farmer friend's son was emptying his 9mm pistol, somehow (I don't know the particulars)the gun went off and he shot his 7 year old daughter in the head yesterday. They life flighted her to Columbus where they did surgery on her. Drs said it will be touch and go for awhile but she woke up around midnight and tried to get out of bed (good sign maybe). This afternoon they did something and she said ouch which was a good thing to hear. This is his only daughter out of 3 kids and his baby. Folks if you believe in the power of prayer at all, please say one for her and her dad because He is probably hurting awfully bad right now and you know he certainly blames himself for it all. I know we can all say what ifs and he shouldn't have, but things happen that we can never take back, so please don't, just say a prayer for them.
WILL DO KEEP US POSTED GOD DOES LISTEN
 
I see some calling it murder because you should always know where your gun is pointing loaded or empty.
I see some calling it an accident I assume to justify why they should be able to own a gun.
When the simple fact is none of us know all the facts and there will be plenty of time to debate the facts at a later date.

For now we should be concerned more about praying for the entire family.
 
I have never owned a gun and have certainly never emptied (I don't really know what that means) one so I have to yield to the rest of the comments. After reading all the comments I believe the Dad should go to jail. This is absolutely tragic. I know it wasn't intentional and was a mistake but mistakes like this should never happen. Never, never, never.
Easy to ask for jail time when it is not your child or your guilted brain that will be with you day and night for the remainder of your life. Please never serve on a jury.
 
Folks, a farmer friend's son was emptying his 9mm pistol, somehow (I don't know the particulars)the gun went off and he shot his 7 year old daughter in the head yesterday. They life flighted her to Columbus where they did surgery on her. Drs said it will be touch and go for awhile but she woke up around midnight and tried to get out of bed (good sign maybe). This afternoon they did something and she said ouch which was a good thing to hear. This is his only daughter out of 3 kids and his baby. Folks if you believe in the power of prayer at all, please say one for her and her dad because He is probably hurting awfully bad right now and you know he certainly blames himself for it all. I know we can all say what ifs and he shouldn't have, but things happen that we can never take back, so please don't, just say a prayer for them.
Prayers sent for both.

Very tragic and avoidable. People mean well, be safe. Talking about it can not change the past, but likewise not talking about it can not prevent similar future tragedies either.
 

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