Why Red vs. Green (and others)?

[E.B. Haymakin']

Oh......I get involved in the mud slinging between green & red........and other colors for that matter. My support is to the older F-series Farmalls, but any mud slinging is all in jest, and most of the folks I hang with share the same sense of humor. I have run into a few though who get really worked up with the color discussions, and I just avoid them. Life it too serious for them. I do agree the 2 cylinder bark of a Deere sounds kinda cool, but also find it interesting that after Deeres started multiplying cylinders, collectability starts to diminish.

I only sling mud when my tractors cleats are filled with it!

 

[randyrenfro7]

My favorite is the one that will start when I need it, oh yeah, all the tires up too and fuel in it.

 

[Steven Allen]

Was around Ford, Case, and Massey Ferguson when I was a kid and made fun of JD. Then Dad got one--the B my son is working on--and became very much attracted to 2 cylinders: the sound and the design are just right. I'd still like to have an n Ford and a Case VAC, but all we have for now is JDs. Spent a LOT of time on Farmalls working for various neighbors and big farms (when I was in grad school). Got no problem with them at all. No interest in Oliver or Allis--just a preference thing (don't get excited for blondes, either).

I can appreciate what you have. Just don't tell me I shouldn't appreciate what I have.

 

[randyrenfro7]

Was around Ford, Case, and Massey Ferguson when I was a kid and made fun of JD. The Dad got one--the B my son is working on--and became very much attracted to 2 cylinders: the sound and the design are just right. I'd still like to have an n Ford and a Case VAC, but all we have for now is JDs. Spent a LOT of time on Farmalls working for various neighbors and big farms (when I was in grad school). Got no problem with them at all. No interest in Oliver or Allis--just a preference thing (don't get excited for blondes, either).

What's wrong with you? Blondes you need to go see a shrink.

 

[m16ty]

When I was a kid my great grandad had passed but his old 65 Massey was still around. Truth be told it was just flat worn out, but that tractor wouldn’t make a day in the field without something happening to it. Of most of my memories of the farm shop, that 65 was broke down and sitting in it. That gave the whole family a sour taste toward MF.

My granddad owned a AC dealership. You couldn’t convince him there was any other brand worth owning, but he was also trying to sell tractors.

Now here I am with 3 AC tractors, 3 IH, 1 Oliver, and 1 Case. All brands have their good and bad points and they’ve all had a lemon or two. Oddly, the only major brand I’ve never owned is a JD, although I would like to pick up a 2 cylinder one day.

What I’d really like to do is some day have one of every major brand 90-100hp models from the ‘60s. I already have a 190xt AC, 806 IH and 1850 Oliver, I just need a 1100 MF, 4020 JD, and the Case model number escapes me at the moment. I don’t think Ford had a 90-100hp offering in the ‘60s.

 

[NY 986]

When I was a kid my great grandad had passed but his old 65 Massey was still around. Truth be told it was just flat worn out, but that tractor wouldn’t make a day in the field without something happening to it. Of most of my memories of the farm shop, that 65 was broke down and sitting in it. That gave the whole family a sour taste toward MF.

My granddad owned a AC dealership. You couldn’t convince him there was any other brand worth owning, but he was also trying to sell tractors.

Now here I am with 3 AC tractors, 3 IH, 1 Oliver, and 1 Case. All brands have their good and bad points and they’ve all had a lemon or two. Oddly, the only major brand I’ve never owned is a JD, although I would like to pick up a 2 cylinder one day.

What I’d really like to do is some day have one of every major brand 90-100hp models from the ‘60s. I already have a 190xt AC, 806 IH and 1850 Oliver, I just need a 1100 MF, 4020 JD, and the Case model number escapes me at the moment. I don’t think Ford had a 90-100hp offering in the ‘60s.

The Ford 8000 was made 1968-1972 and is 100 HP. The Case 1030 was made until 1969 and was around 100 HP.

 

[ss55]

The Ford 8000 was made 1968-1972 and is 100 HP. The Case 1030 was made until 1969 and was around 100 HP.

Minneapolis-Moline also made the G900 and G1000 in the 90 - 100 HP range.

 

[G1000VISTA]

MM G900 diesel-97.78 hp. MM G1000 diesel-111.00 hp per Nebraska tractor tests.

 

[m16ty]

Minneapolis-Moline also made the G900 and G1000 in the 90 - 100 HP range.

Now y’all are just adding more to my list. The Ford 8000 was a little late to the 100hp mark though.

 

[mijohn]

I've always felt sorry for Oliver when White Motor took them over. And Massy Harris needed a finance plan. John Deere was way ahead of the rest of them in my respect. I'm not sure when FoMoCo started. But thats why John Deere had a big surge starting in 1958. again just my two cents. John

 

[m16ty]

I've always felt sorry for Oliver when White Motor took them over. And Massy Harris needed a finance plan. John Deere was way ahead of the rest of them in my respect. I'm not sure when FoMoCo started. But thats why John Deere had a big surge starting in 1958. again just my two cents. John

If it is any saving grace, almost all the Whites were Oliver underneath the sliver sheet metal.
Everything for most tractor brands started falling apart in the ‘80s. Even most of the ones that didn’t change names still changed ownership during that time. Ford was still a healthy company as a whole during that time, but they finally decided to dump their ag line and their big truck line and just focus on cars and medium and light duty trucks.

 

[jddrawbar]

Now y’all are just adding more to my list. The Ford 8000 was a little late to the 100hp mark though.

Your original statement was that Ford did not have anything in the 100 hp range in the 60's......in 1968 the 8000 was rated at 115 hp.

 

[Vito]

All I can say is on the resale end JD holds up the best. I have had quite a few different manufacturers over the years.

Vito

 

[MeanGene1]

Deeres are just green with envy

 

[RedWhiteandBlueWoods]

All I know is that every piece of JD equipment we have is a pain for maintenance. Not easy to work on nor cheap. JD is overhyped and over priced. Not saying caseih is any cheaper but I've been to the JD dealership more.

 

[jwal10]

Dad was all IHC, F-12's H's and an M. He went to Case for his first Diesel wheel tractor, a 400, then 830 dual range transmission. Came back to a 706 and finally a 1256. I wanted a used 856 at the Co-op but IH did not want to help a 16 year old on his own. I went to JD, I knew the salesman through FFA at school. They would let the chapter use a tractor 1 year, MF the next. He traded my Farmall M and 3 bottom tag plow for a 2 year old 4020 and 4 btm Oliver semi-mount plow with P.S and hfwa. I traded it for a 4430 in the fall of 1972, P.S, hfwa and Sound guard cab. I never looked back, got a 4630, then 4440, 4640. Then downsized into 4240's. I had 4 at one time. I kept looking at Farmall but they just didn't seem to improve much. I would have thought they would have been able to upgrade the TA. Shifting seemed to be very clunky, very little improvement, then the 86 series. When I first saw the ads for the 86 series, I thought they would be more like the Utilities, like 454, 574, 674. What a disappointment. To me the 40 series was perfect, engine transmission, controls, comfort and electronics....James

 

[tractorguy2]

Our farm was like most in the area. We didn't pay much attention to color. When we needed to add a tractor to the operation, we watched the local sale bills and bought the first tractor that fit out needs we could afford. We have had Oliver, John Deere, Ford, Massey Harris, International, and Allis Chalmers. We have had more IH than the other brands. When I make comments about features of out red verus out green tractor. The green guys get up set. Some even claim I'm making it up. Last comment I mad was on a Facee Book group. I was comparing the 3pt on out 706 verus the 4430. The 706 3pt won't go low enough for certain implements and the 4430 won't raise a Buffalo planter high enough to clear rail road grades. No replies from the red guys. BUT the green guys gave me heck. Said I was a lair. Same thing happened when I once mentioned out Farmall M had more power than out JD A.

 

[NY 986]

If it is any saving grace, almost all the Whites were Oliver underneath the sliver sheet metal.
Everything for most tractor brands started falling apart in the ‘80s. Even most of the ones that didn’t change names still changed ownership during that time. Ford was still a healthy company as a whole during that time, but they finally decided to dump their ag line and their big truck line and just focus on cars and medium and light duty trucks.

Ford overall was in rough shape to start the 1980's. Most of it had to do with its cars and light trucks. Remember its "Quality is Job 1" mantra? Ford embarked on a program to greatly improve the quality of its products to literally save the company. Had Ford not addressed issues of quality it might have gone on a similar path as IH did then. Making changes but not on its own terms.

 

[m16ty]

All I know is that every piece of JD equipment we have is a pain for maintenance. Not easy to work on nor cheap. JD is overhyped and over priced. Not saying caseih is any cheaper but I've been to the JD dealership more.

I hate to stereotype, but I’ve found that most “JD people” think that all other brands are junk. That’s not to say I think JD is bad, they are great tractors, but the other brands have some good tractors too.

 

[G1000VISTA]

I hate to stereotype, but I’ve found that most “JD people” think that all other brands are junk. That’s not to say I think JD is bad, they are great tractors, but the other brands have some good tractors too.

A mechanic friend of mine that works on tractors said a farmer called him from out of state wanting him to look at his JD tractor. Said it would jerk and stall, rinse and repeat. Local Deere dealer told the farmer the transmission was shot. "Bring it in and we'll put another tranny in for 33000." That's when my friend got called. He researched it a little and figured out the charge accumulator s for the tranny were low on pressure. Charged them and the tractor was fixed. Sad when the "best" brand won't even try and fix their own stinking tractors.