Why Red vs. Green (and others)?

[jddrawbar]

A mechanic friend of mine that works on tractors said a farmer called him from out of state wanting him to look at his JD tractor. Said it would jerk and stall, rinse and repeat. Local Deere dealer told the farmer the transmission was shot. "Bring it in and we'll put another tranny in for 33000." That's when my friend got called. He researched it a little and figured out the charge accumulator s for the tranny were low on pressure. Charged them and the tractor was fixed. Sad when the "best" brand won't even try and fix their own stinking tractors.

Are you saying $33k for a new tranny?

 

[Duey C]

I sure hear you JD2cyl. Cool thread about a funny and often childish phenomenon.
Some friends don't like my son and I talking about my Twin City battleship grey tractors.
"Wrong color" is all she says. She's JD all the way, her husband and I talk tractors when she isn't lookin'.
JD hater friends say you can stop any JD two cylinder on the belt just by taking your hands and squashing the belt together.
AS IF instantanious!
Pull two spark plugs from an IH and it'll still run, do that to a JD.
With a G, you have to have a gas can at the end of every row.
A decent JD-raised friend bought a Farmall M and said it (M) sure is thirsty, darn near need an extra gas can out in the field.
Always two sides.
Raised on an H Farmall that saved my life one time. Great tractor. Bought a 41 B JD for mounted saw duty. Great tractor.
Operated an Allis-Chalmers WD cultivating a bunch. Great tractor. Operated an MM U for plowing a bunch. Great tractor.
Bought a G, used it for loader and tugging. Great tractor. I was an Octopus with that loader.
Bought the first Twin City 17-28. Great tractor in the field digging. Nearly as nimble as an 8n

 

[jddrawbar]

I sure hear you JD2cyl. Cool thread about a funny and often childish phenomenon.
Some friends don't like my son and I talking about my Twin City battleship grey tractors.
"Wrong color" is all she says. She's JD all the way, her husband and I talk tractors when she isn't lookin'.
JD hater friends say you can stop any JD two cylinder on the belt just by taking your hands and squashing the belt together.
AS IF instantanious!
Pull two spark plugs from an IH and it'll still run, do that to a JD.
With a G, you have to have a gas can at the end of every row.
A decent JD-raised friend bought a Farmall M and said it (M) sure is thirsty, darn near need an extra gas can out in the field.
Always two sides.
Raised on an H Farmall that saved my life one time. Great tractor. Bought a 41 B JD for mounted saw duty. Great tractor.
Operated an Allis-Chalmers WD cultivating a bunch. Great tractor. Operated an MM U for plowing a bunch. Great tractor.
Bought a G, used it for loader and tugging. Great tractor. I was an Octopus with that loader.
Bought the first Twin City 17-28. Great tractor in the field digging. Nearly as nimble as an 8n

I want to see the dude taking his hands, squashing the belt together and stopping the tractor instantaneous.....just saying.

 

[caterpillar guy]

Not saying the IH is better but I rarely have much to do with my old 806 and 856. The biggest thing is the lack of high volume and pressure hydraulics on them. A puny 12GPM pump with only 2000 PSI when it should be more like 20or more GPM and 2500 or more PSI. Yes there was a 17 GPM listed and when you asked about it at the dealer they looked at you like you had 3 heads or something who would want that kind of volume. ME. The old Cat D-6 has 50GPM at 2000 PSI back in the late 50's Boy that plow would come up when raising and drop both with little effort. It would tilt the bucket while raising the bucket at a matched speed so you were not slowing down and the lift cylinders were something like about 8 inch bore and 3 feet stroke with 5or 6 inch bore and 2foot stroke tilt cylinders. Boy would it load dirt. Sure seemed big for a kid in 5th grade with no prior hydraulic experience and loading dirt to haul from the hill to the swamp or filling ditch with. Did a lot of dozing with that old girl filled 2 sawmps back in the 70's with it pushing dirt off the hills around them. swamps were about 2 acres together. Now They drain out and dry out in the summer. With some tile they would be workable for planting earlier in spring. All our local deere dealers over the years thought they had gold hidden in them someplace you just had to find it. Wanted 14,000 plus for a 42430 could buy an 806 for 7500 back then. Yes the 4230 is a bit bigger but not 6500 bigger. Bought the 856 from my brother a few years ago for what he paid for it after he used it for 5or 6 years and got a bargain at 3000 or something close to that. 806 was some thing like 7500 in 1978 so it doesn't owe me anything either.

 

[RedWhiteandBlueWoods]

I sure hear you JD2cyl. Cool thread about a funny and often childish phenomenon.
Some friends don't like my son and I talking about my Twin City battleship grey tractors.
"Wrong color" is all she says. She's JD all the way, her husband and I talk tractors when she isn't lookin'.
JD hater friends say you can stop any JD two cylinder on the belt just by taking your hands and squashing the belt together.
AS IF instantanious!
Pull two spark plugs from an IH and it'll still run, do that to a JD.
With a G, you have to have a gas can at the end of every row.
A decent JD-raised friend bought a Farmall M and said it (M) sure is thirsty, darn near need an extra gas can out in the field.
Always two sides.
Raised on an H Farmall that saved my life one time. Great tractor. Bought a 41 B JD for mounted saw duty. Great tractor.
Operated an Allis-Chalmers WD cultivating a bunch. Great tractor. Operated an MM U for plowing a bunch. Great tractor.
Bought a G, used it for loader and tugging. Great tractor. I was an Octopus with that loader.
Bought the first Twin City 17-28. Great tractor in the field digging. Nearly as nimble as an 8n

The H saving your life is a story I'd like to hear for sure! H or Super H those tractors have an air to them.

 

[Duey C]

The H saving your life is a story I'd like to hear for sure! H or Super H those tractors have an air to them.

Someday I will. The seat saved my bacon. Still creeped out about it.

 

[wore out]

Are you saying $33k for a new tranny?

Does that number surprise you nowadays, and, likely a rebuilt.

 

[G1000VISTA]

Are you saying $33k for a new tranny?

Yes.

 

[INCase]

Funny, its pretty much the same as Ford versus Chevy (being an automotive engineer i wouldn't buy either) or Ohio state versus Michigoon, or Shell rotella versus any other brand. some folks just get silly about stuff.

was never a fan of either the JD green or IH red. I always a favored Oliver/White and Case. having said that i've only owned Case and currently an IH. mostly because those were what was handly and available and in the budget and the IH was bought new by my wife's grandfather in 1969 so there is sentimental value there .

A good tractor would be a combination of the best features of Oliver, Case, JD and IH and Ford on the utility side, but no one ever seemed to do that. like my IH 444 nice little tractor to drive and no complaints other than no live/independant PTO. drove my friends 2020 deere. seems easy to drive too but definately has more issues (front axle bushings and PTO doesn't work and rear end full of water and bad brakes and.... ) but see other areas where it was somewhat better laid-out/thought out/engineered design. the Case 800 i had was a well built beast of a tractor and fairly well engineered for the 1950s but not so pleasant to drive especially if having to do lots of turning in close quarters and start/stop/backing up.

as a kid went from our neighbors AC WD-45 to my unlcle's Oliver 770s and wow i thought i hit the jackpot driving the Oliver. Always thought the AC engines were good and powerfull for the size tractor but the tractor was never updated and too primative in my thoughts. the D series were an big improvement but still had some of the same issues just repackaged. Oliver could have updated the 55-550 but didn't do much "major" updates over its 20ish year life span.

 

[m16ty]

Funny, its pretty much the same as Ford versus Chevy (being an automotive engineer i wouldn't buy either) or Ohio state versus Michigoon, or Shell rotella versus any other brand. some folks just get silly about stuff.

was never a fan of either the JD green or IH red. I always a favored Oliver/White and Case. having said that i've only owned Case and currently an IH. mostly because those were what was handly and available and in the budget and the IH was bought new by my wife's grandfather in 1969 so there is sentimental value there .

A good tractor would be a combination of the best features of Oliver, Case, JD and IH and Ford on the utility side, but no one ever seemed to do that. like my IH 444 nice little tractor to drive and no complaints other than no live/independant PTO. drove my friends 2020 deere. seems easy to drive too but definately has more issues (front axle bushings and PTO doesn't work and rear end full of water and bad brakes and.... ) but see other areas where it was somewhat better laid-out/thought out/engineered design. the Case 800 i had was a well built beast of a tractor and fairly well engineered for the 1950s but not so pleasant to drive especially if having to do lots of turning in close quarters and start/stop/backing up.

as a kid went from our neighbors AC WD-45 to my unlcle's Oliver 770s and wow i thought i hit the jackpot driving the Oliver. Always thought the AC engines were good and powerfull for the size tractor but the tractor was never updated and too primative in my thoughts. the D series were an big improvement but still had some of the same issues just repackaged. Oliver could have updated the 55-550 but didn't do much "major" updates over its 20ish year life span.

I've always thought that you could take the best parts of all brands, build a tractor out of that and you'd have something. For instance, I've always thought that if you took a AC Power Director and could put it in a IH tractor in place of the TA, you'd really have something.

I've got or have had at least one of all the major brands. I'm a AC guy at heart but I think the best tractor overall I've found is my Oliver 1850 with over/under. Only down side to the Oliver I've found is the hydraulics could be better, but if you don't have a loader and all you are doing is raising a implement up and down, it works.

 

[ford4610]

I just got to wondering, why all the competition and sometimes almost hatefulness between collectors over brands, like John Deere vs. Farmall? We all have the same ultimate goal of preserving and playing with our old equipment. I may have a preference in brand but I like all old tractors. I've got John Deere, Case, McCormick Deering, Farmall, Massey Harris. Some people seem to despise the other colors to the point they won't look at them at shows. Just wondering why. An old tractor is an old tractor. Food for thought for all of you.

Nothing runs like a Deere, except a bad as$ International! just kidding, its like Stihl or husky, Ford or Chevy, Apple or samsung, its what ever works for you!

 

[wore out]

Yes.

When my son worked at a CNJ dealership 10 years ago re-man trannies for the big stuff were already in that price range.