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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:54 pm    Post subject: Combining Rye Reply to specific post Reply with quote

First time with rye and was wondering if anyone has some pointers for direct cut harvesting of it. I'll be running a JD4420 with the big tooth (corn/bean) chaffer and a 216F head locked up. Thanks, Paul
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:58 am    Post subject: Re: Combining Rye Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hope it stays standing or that the whole field lodges. The worst conditions for cutting rye is when about half the field goes down. You will have the reel down getting all the down stuff while on the other end of the head the standing stuff will be wrapping around the reel. If you plan to use it for seed make sure it is dry. I will not cut over 13% moisture and mine goes in a bin with a fan right away. Any heating will get very hard on seed germination. Keep your cylinder speed up at 1000 rpm or more. You will have a lot of material going in the machine. My guess is you will not want to cut a 16ft swath. I have a 13 ft on my Deere 105 diesel and get along good. The neighbor that helps me run a 6620 with a 215 ridgid head and that is a big enough head in rye. The big tooth chaffer makes getting a clean sample harder. That is what my 95 had and it did work but my 105 has the shorter finger chaffer and it works better. Don't be afraid to keep the air up even if it means some of the light stuff goes out the back of the machine. Makes it better quality seed without the light stuff. I have 50 acres to cut this summer. Tom
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Combining Rye Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks Tom, I remember some of the pictures I think you had on last fall of your rye combining - very nice! As I said this will be my first go-around with rye. I have done just about everything else: barley, wheat, oats, beans, and of course corn. Originally planned on cutting most of it for straw before it set seed but the weather didn't cooperate! Had about 20 acres out, have about 5 cut now trying to get dry but got too much rain on it so is darker than should be. Hope to bale tomorrow before rain sets in again Friday. I know what you mean about the wrapping. Have had that several times with the oats. Always seem to get a storm right as they're ready putting them down!
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Combining Rye Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Oh my God!! Not rye. Few years ago the neighbor I do custom organic farming for had me plant 40 acres rye. One and only time I ever dealt with the stuff. Here in South central Mn. we have to swath our small grain to get the moisture down. That stuff must have been 20 ft. tall and then it all went down. But not down the same direction. Some went this way and some that. Old JD.800 swather. Go 10 ft. and its all wrapped around the real. Cut it off and go another 10 ft. Told the guy if you want to plant rye again you can get someone else to do your farming.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:35 am    Post subject: Re: Combining Rye Reply to specific post Reply with quote

We grew the stuff for forage back in the '90s. We had some cool wet springs, and the stuff got away from us a few times, and literally got as tall as the 4240 tractor cab where it didn't lodge. It was certainly extreme forage harvesting!!!
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:24 am    Post subject: Re: Combining Rye Reply to specific post Reply with quote

We never had much trouble with it going down, maybe we didnt fertilize it enough?

Was difficult to get the tall stuff through the swather, it would bunch terrible not windrow nice.

Straight cutting that wasnt even a thought, needed to cut it slightly green and let it dry, would never get through a combine in our humid climate straight cutting.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Combining Rye Reply to specific post Reply with quote

To Paul, I'm not sure if wheat is in the same ballpark as rye, but years ago I worked for a dairy farmer that NEVER applied any fertilizer on his spring wheat because he said all it did was make it go down Smile
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Combining Rye Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have some peat or muck ground, it is rich enough dirt oats goes flat any time its planted in those spots.

I didnt fertilize my few acres of oats or barley this year. It headed out so early, I missed the window! Hot and dry so it wouldnt help now. It was bean stubble, corn the year before that, had hog manure applied before the corn. They say hog manure mineralized out a little bit of N into the 3rd year. We will see if there is anything to that......

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:22 am    Post subject: Re: Combining Rye Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Next door neighbor used to always raise rye for his hog feed. He always direct cut it with a PTO drive A C model 60 5' pull type combine. He used a Wards tractor to pull it and I think that Wards had a slower low gear than his Farmall M. He always also used that Wads on his Moline 2 row pull type corn picker. He in his last years only used that Wards for those 2 jobs. And he never had a grain dryer. This was northwest Ohio.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Combining Rye Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Paul, I've often thought in the last few years that I would like to try swathing the small grains but it just isn't done around here. Hard to find the equipment to do it without going a long way off. Has been getting more humid in the summers than I remember, but maybe that is a getting older thing! I think what I'm going to do is try cut it high, or atleast as high as I can for the grain part, then go back through with the haybine for straw. Used to do that pretty regularly for the oats and worked well. Thanks Paul
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:26 am    Post subject: Re: Combining Rye Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I've given that a thought a time or two myself here in New Jersey. I noticed that Keiters and Zeislofts have some pickup heads that came in with later model combines (way out of my budget) they've brought in from out west. Getting a decent swather is the biggest issue. I wonder if you cut with a properly-sized disc mower, could a swath pickup get it off the ground?
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Combining Rye Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Timmy, I did something similar last year. The oats got terribly weedy - giant foxtail. Played with the haybine a bit to see what might work, and cut some high to leave lay on a generous stubble to dry. Worked ok that way (as far as getting the regular grain head under for combining) but knocked too many oats out to be worth running the combine through any more. Ended up mowing and round baling for sheep. Paul
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:32 am    Post subject: Re: Combining Rye Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I had a foxtail mess of 5 acres of small grain last year, I mowed with disk mower and raked when it was dew, ran it through the combine. Was just too ugly to cut with sickle. Wasnt much of a crop just wanted to get to straw. Sure wouldnt want to plan to do any of that with a good crop of small grains, way too much shattering of the seed out of the heads.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:26 am    Post subject: Re: Combining Rye Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If its like wheat close the bottom sieve almost all the way so your returning a lot grain. I believe I have a set of Trimpe bars that fit a 4420 somewhere, they are great for grains and soybeans but not wet corn.
 
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