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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:53 pm    Post subject: Transmission Oil - NH 134 vs HyTran Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Can I use HyTran hydraulic oil instead of NH 134 transmission oil on my Ford 5000? I can't seem to find their specs online.

The operator's manual calls for Ford M-2C41-A for the transmission (select-o-speed) and Ford M-2C53-A for the hydraulic / rear axle. But I read somewhere on this forum that (a) Ford M-2C41-A oil was superseded by the M2C134D spec, and (b) at some point Ford started recommending using the same oil for both the transmission and the rear axle. I found a local CASE dealership that carries both 134 and HyTran oils for roughly the same price (and it's about some 30% higher than JD HyGuard, which I found strange).

Anyway, I read many good things about HyTran oil's ability to absorb moisture, which I think is good for a tractor with occasional light use and infrequent maintenance cycle, but I'm not sure if they would provide the same characteristics as the recommended oil.

Thanks for the help in advance,
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Transmission Oil - NH 134 vs HyTran Reply to specific post Reply with quote

jrslv wrote:
(quoted from post at 17:53:18 06/22/21) Can I use HyTran hydraulic oil instead of NH 134 transmission oil on my Ford 5000? I can't seem to find their specs online.

The operator's manual calls for Ford M-2C41-A for the transmission (select-o-speed) and Ford M-2C53-A for the hydraulic / rear axle. But I read somewhere on this forum that (a) Ford M-2C41-A oil was superseded by the M2C134D spec, and (b) at some point Ford started recommending using the same oil for both the transmission and the rear axle. I found a local CASE dealership that carries both 134 and HyTran oils for roughly the same price (and it's about some 30% higher than JD HyGuard, which I found strange).

Anyway, I read many good things about HyTran oil's ability to absorb moisture, which I think is good for a tractor with occasional light use and infrequent maintenance cycle, but I'm not sure if they would provide the same characteristics as the recommended oil.

Thanks for the help in advance,
Jaroslav


CNH says the NH Multi G (G134) meets or exceeds the old 134D spec. So, if you want to use NH brand fluid, theoretically you'd use the Multi G. I'm done with NH and do not use their oil. Not sure where you're located but if Valvoline is available, I'd use Valvoline Unitrac in a Selectospeed, (Vv813 if packaged in 5 gal pails). At least you'll know what you're getting.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:01 am    Post subject: Re: Transmission Oil - NH 134 vs HyTran Reply to specific post Reply with quote

An important feature, for tractors in your era, is the
anti-chatter additive for the brakes. If they are not
chattering now, and you just want to top off, you can
use pretty much anything. But if youre doing
drain/refill/filter, Id go with 134, especially if they
are the same price. Other oils you risk brake
chatter, then you have to buy a quart of anti-chatter
to make it stop.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:41 am    Post subject: Re: Transmission Oil - NH 134 vs HyTran Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Fritz Maurer wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:01:38 06/23/21) An important feature, for tractors in your era, is the
anti-chatter additive for the brakes. ... Id go with 134


Well, that explains it! Apparently the oil in my tractor (which I just bought) doesn't have that additive. I did think that there is something wrong with the breaks and even started avoiding using them for slowing down.

134 it is then.

By the way, would that anti-chatter additive be beneficial for the Select-O-Speed transmission as well? From my (very cursory) reading of the workshop manual, this transmission uses sorta drum breaks to control gear selection. Switching between the speed ranges is very jerky. We'll see if the 134 trans oil fixes that.

This post was edited by jrslv on 06/23/2021 at 10:41 am.

 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: Transmission Oil - NH 134 vs HyTran Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I dont want to give the impression that 134 is a magic bullet, but it definitely is your best bet. It may take a few days for the chatter to go away, to work the old oil out of the plates. I have 5 fords with wet brakes and Ive seen this symptom come and go so it is treatable. My most recent servicing was the 555C, in which I poured in Rural King 303 , and the brakes started chattering immediately. Added 1 bottle of genuine CNH additive and by the end of the day the brakes gave a little groan just as the tractor stopped moving. Regarding your SOS, I dont see how it would hurt it. Just from the standpoint of logic. Ford
dealers would have to stock 2 different transmission
oils, one for SOS and one for everything else. Im
sure they didnt want to do that.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Transmission Oil - NH 134 vs HyTran Reply to specific post Reply with quote


being that the 5000 uses a wet pto clutch and wet brakes, you need a fluid that accounts for that. You can by a j20A fluid from tractor supply that meets 134d specs which are backwards compatible for your tractor. A 5 gallon container was on sale last week for $26.99. Some fluids have friction modifiers that will make the clutches slip or bounce or chatter as the fluid is too slippery from these additives. So getting the correct fluids it important. Remember even the sos has clutches. And yes the sos is also named the "jerkomatic" as the gears changes can be pretty rough in certain changes.
 
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