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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:51 am    Post subject: baling shredded grass for hay ??? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have read here that you cant bale shredded grass for hay, then I have read that you can with certain small square balers (Hesston 4550/4590/4600, being specifically stated (Case/IH 8545, 8555, 8530a12, Cat Challenger SB36 same types) that you can bale bushhogged grass for hay. Are they able to do this because of longer needle /pick-up teeth? or does the non bushhoged hay apply solely to round balers? The reason for the ?is that I was wanting to use a JD 224 or 336 after cutting with a Woods B320 bushhog.

This post was edited by dwragon on 11/24/2021 at 08:53 am.

 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:07 am    Post subject: Re: baling shredded grass for hay ??? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

About 15 years ago I bales some hay a neighbor had brush
hogged using an international 37 small square baler. Yes I did
lose some of the hay from being finer cut than a hay mower
and i had to rake a lot of it together to get a decent winrow but
it can be done and loss isnt bad; about comparable to doing
second cutting.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:59 am    Post subject: Re: baling shredded grass for hay ??? Reply to specific post Reply with quote


OT but I've baled shredded grass with my JD 467 rd baler.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: baling shredded grass for hay ??? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I agree it can be done. A neighbor cuts with a bush hog quite often and bales it.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:25 pm    Post subject: Re: baling shredded grass for hay ??? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I've bales hay cut with a Woods rotary because it was too matted for the scicle mower. The left side comes off and it leaves a windrow and doesn't shred.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: baling shredded grass for hay ??? Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Mike would you please explain what you mean by this,

The left side comes off and it leaves a windrow and doesn't shred,

(Do you mean it leaves grass on the left when baling, and wont shred if you put it in a cattle feed shredder? or?)
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:10 pm    Post subject: Re: baling shredded grass for hay ??? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It's a Woods Cadet 60. The left side of the deck comes off with 6 or 7 bolts. The blades rotate to the left so when they cut the grass is thrown out and not shredded
under the deck and leaves it in a windrow. I guess not all mowers are made this way.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:10 pm    Post subject: Re: baling shredded grass for hay ??? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Any baler can do it as long as its raked properly. The problem with chopped grass is that its tough to get tedded and then raked well because the pieces are so short.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: baling shredded grass for hay ??? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Mike(NEOhio) wrote:
(quoted from post at 16:10:11 11/24/21) It's a Woods Cadet 60. The left side of the deck comes off with 6 or 7 bolts. The blades rotate to the left so when they cut the grass is thrown out and not shredded under the deck and leaves it in a windrow. I guess not all mowers are made this way.


No, Mike, neither my JD 606 is, and certainly not the Woods B320 I just bought, but in buying a hay spike the guy tried to sell me a bushhog that had a 2 foot gap at the rear, explaining that it was modified that way to leave the cuttings in a row so hay could be made from it. And thanks for the explanation.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: baling shredded grass for hay ??? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

MJMJ wrote:
(quoted from post at 16:10:34 11/24/21) Any baler can do it as long as its raked properly. The problem with chopped grass is that its tough to get tedded and then raked well because the pieces are so short.


Ahh, I had thought that might be it, but having no experiance in doing any of this yet, as I am just now gathering equipment so I can make sure it is in good working order for spring. I am hoping that by towing a v rake behind my bushhog (1st cut) that it will work to make hay for small bales, and I will use a sickle mower the then the rake on the second for round bales, on a 40 to 60 acre field. I dont want to cut the entire 80 acres because there is too much sand and a blow hole.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: baling shredded grass for hay ??? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I think you are wasting power to run a bushog to mow hay with versus just mowing with a regular hay sickle bar mower. Mower will cut easier with less power required and faster. You will not want to pull a rake behind the mower of any sort. Let it lay out flat to dry faster. Then rake after it drys will be fluffier in the windrow and let more air through to dry the bottom of what was the now previous swath. This will be especially true with first cutting where it is heavier thicker hay.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: baling shredded grass for hay ??? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I was having a major problem with my sickle bar mower, so I mowed with my bush hog and baled, lost about 50% in my judgement. I
baled with a Int. 46. So it can be done. But I would NEVER do it again. I'd hire the neighbor before I would mow hayground to
bale with a bush hog. gobble
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:29 am    Post subject: Re: baling shredded grass for hay ??? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Caterpillar guy and Tomturkey

[CG Quote]I think you are wasting power to run a bushog to mow hay with versus just mowing with a regular hay sickle bar mower. Mower will cut easier with less power required and faster. You will not want to pull a rake behind the mower of any sort. Let it lay out flat to dry faster. Then rake after it drys will be fluffier in the windrow and let more air through to dry the bottom of what was the now previous swath. This will be especially true with first cutting where it is heavier thicker hay.

[Tt Quote]I was having a major problem with my sickle bar mower, so I mowed with my bush hog and baled, lost about 50% in my judgement. I baled with a Int. 46. So it can be done. But I would NEVER do it again.

Cg, I bought the woods B320 bushog to cut weeds, never heard of a weed getting resistant to being bitten or cut, so I will use the sickle mower, but I am going to just let it dry without teddering it as I live in south central Oklahoma where few people tedder their cuttings due to the heat.

Tt, thanks for the 50% predicted loss warning, I will use the sickle mower.

I appreciate all the sage advice.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: baling shredded grass for hay ??? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I did it with my John Deere 24T baler.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: baling shredded grass for hay ??? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I recall Worksaver announced a rotary mower that would leave a windrow for baling 20 or 25 years ago. Apparently it never caught on.
 
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