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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:24 pm    Post subject: Simms Minimec, diesel is getting pump oil. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Sorry meant diesel is getting in pump oil.

After 5 hrs run time the Simms Minimec injection pump oil reservoir on my '64 Super Major was almost 3 ounces over full. I did read that it is normal for diesel find it's way into the lube oil but should it be that fast?

This is a rebuilt pump and I thought I'd ask here for info that I can take back to the rebuilder. I did take it back to them after a few hours use because oil was coming out of the breather and they said there was nothing wrong with it and I thought maybe I had over filled it.

This was a major overhaul and they are a very competent injection pump shop, I'm just curious if there was something they missed of if it is normal for the oil level rise that much? 8 hrs on rebuilt pump so far.

I also asked this over in the ford forum



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Simms Minimec, diesel is getting pump oil. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Seems a bit quick to fill, does diesel also run out of the pigtail pipe at the front
of the cam box?

The only way diesel can get into the cam box and through to the mechanical governor, is via the pump plungers which are a
metal to metal, high precision seal. (Think about it, diesel will creep through
rusted bolt threads, now think about how it will creep when under 2300 psi pressure
in the injection pump, the tiniest flaw or wear in the plungers will leak like mad).

Some leakage is allowed to lubricate the cams and bearings but it is only a very
small amount.

I would suspect your diesel shop is not as good as they think they are.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Simms Minimec, diesel is getting pump oil. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It was leaking out the pigtail after the first 3 hours of use after the rebuild but wasn't after the next 5 hours when I drained the 3 ounce out of it. Maybe the oils level was not high enough this time. I wondered about that too.

I will be taking the injection pump to back. Pretty sure they didn't change barrels and plunger.

Thanks for replying Brian, I was hoping you would.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:23 am    Post subject: Re: Simms Minimec, diesel is getting pump oil. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Most of the parts in your picture are governor parts apart from the springs.

This is just musing, if you are no longer leaking diesel from the pigtail pipe, you
do not have too much of a leak from the plungers. The pigtail is the leak-off from
the pump cam box and the only way for diesel to get into the governors is through
the seal between the two. We always were told to check the governor oil level once a
week and drain off any excess liquid, diesel/oil mix, down to the level, then change
the oil every time the engine oil was changed. I realise this was when the tractor's
were working every day. Some tractors filled the governor in that time others did
not.

I am wondering whether the diesel shop filled the pump cam box with Fusus oil
(injection pump test oil), which is used to test injection pumps on the rig and also
for storage. The cam box, being over full, then leaked that into the governor and
out of the pigtail initially, and once you drained it, the pump has now settled down
to a more normal leak pattern.

This is a possibility, perhaps you should run a few more hours and see what happens
before taking the pump back. If diesel continues to pour from the pigtail and fill
the governor, then you know for certain you have a problem.

Just my thoughts.

Brian
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:22 am    Post subject: Re: Simms Minimec, diesel is getting pump oil. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thank you Brian for that suggestion. I will run it for a few more hours bush hogging (topping) and see what happens. Jeff



 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:34 am    Post subject: Re: Simms Minimec, diesel is getting pump oil. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You are welcome. If you cannot sort it out I will take it off your hands for scrap
price, I will even pay for it to be shipped over here. :0)
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Simms Minimec, diesel is getting pump oil. Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Thanks for the offer, I'll keep an eye on scrap prices lol.
 
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