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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 7:25 am    Post subject: remove SW4 starter - again ! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

On Sept 12 I posted a question on how to remove the starter from my brother's Super W4 (serial # 2763J). He is 250 miles away (so is the tractor). I received a few responses (thanks) but none seemed straightforward based on what my brother told me over the phone.
Two weeks ago I visited him, and had the starter in my own hands. After turning it 17 ways, twisting every which way - I'm ready to say that starter does not just come out. The end cap hits the capscrew head which holds the block to the clutch-transmission case.
His next option is to try to remove the starter screws which hold the end cap and see if it can be removed/disassembled while the starter is on the tractor.
As best we can tell this is the correct starter - not a larger, heavy duty version. He is not the original owner - believes it was sold new in Manitoba.
Anybody got the magic password?
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: remove SW4 starter - again ! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It seems to me as I read it the consensus is that the belt pulley gear case needs loosened and raised up off the dowels and turned just enough to let starter come out. I attached the previous post.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:12 am    Post subject: Re: remove SW4 starter - again ! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

here you go,... i said last time to remove the belt pulley. the starter will not come out till you do this,... its 6 1/2 inch bolts that take a 3/4 wrench or socket. plus be best to remove the sediment bowl for up clearance. is the belt pulley removed or in place when you are twisting it 17 ways???





 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:54 pm    Post subject: Re: remove SW4 starter - again ! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

oops i lied, its 6 7/16 bolts for the belt pulley.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 3:21 pm    Post subject: Re: remove SW4 starter - again ! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I don't get the belt pulley involvement. On this tractor the belt pulley is on the right side - the starter is on the left side.
The rods which rustred shows just about the starter switch are not in this location on this tractor ??
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 3:55 pm    Post subject: Re: remove SW4 starter - again ! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The issue you have is that the cast housing, containing gear and shaft for the belt pulley will not allow the starter body to be pulled back sufficiently to allow removal from the tractor. The third photograph shows that best.
Undo the bolts securing the entire belt pulley housing to the tractor. They generally come out fairly easily. Lift the housing out of the way, taking care not to crush fingers.
Removing the sediment bowl first is indeed a good idea - saves breaking the glass.
Removing the long machine screws from the body of the starter will not help - good chance of damaging the starter motor when you try to extract it in pieces.
If the rods in Rustred's photograph are not on your tractor, that is one less job for you to do when removing the starter.
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This post was edited by SadFarmall on 11/24/2022 at 03:56 pm.

 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: remove SW4 starter - again ! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Cast housing for the belt pulley is in the way just like on our MD you have to move the belt pulley to get the starter off also. It would be easier to just eliminate the belt pulley and plate over it but didn't want to just pitch a perfectly good housing and pulley set up.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: remove SW4 starter - again ! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

man ooh man ,... i guess i need to draw a picture!!! dont you see the belt pulley drive is in the way ??? i am not just referring to the pulley itself. holy man. better get someone to do this job. nothing hard here at all. reminds me when i was working on the oil rigs. had a new roughneck come running up on the floor holding the grease gun all apart ,both ends. and a tube of grease. he said this grease is blue and the one in the grease gun is red will that work. i said give me this and go get a sawdust sack. then he comes running up the floor and says i brought you 2 sacks. i said good,put those dirty coveralls in one and your dirty boots in the other one and get out of here.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: remove SW4 starter - again ! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

look here in picture #3... i am showing you the pulley drive housing is in the way. take it off, lift it up or do what you want, i said to remove it due to the gasket might get screwed up.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:55 pm    Post subject: Re: remove SW4 starter - again ! Reply to specific post Reply with quote


I believe help is being sought here. Some things are immediately clear to one person and opaque to another. I've made mistakes enough in mechanical repairs and no doubt will make more - not sure boots and coveralls will be going into a sack though.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 5:34 am    Post subject: Re: remove SW4 starter - again ! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks SadFarmall for seeing the big picture, and giving me a break.
And thanks, rustred for your photos.

I admit when I first read 'remove belt pulley' my mind said the round thing which the belt runs on
and that was where I stayed stuck until ......

Maybe when it turns warm in mid-MIchigan I can post the end of this story.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: remove SW4 starter - again ! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Unfortunately you got caught thinking literally in the presence of a colloquialism. "Belt pulley" is commonly used to refer to the entire belt pulley drive unit.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:37 am    Post subject: Re: remove SW4 starter - again ! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

BarnyardEngineering wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:01:49 11/25/22) Unfortunately you got caught thinking literally in the presence of a colloquialism. "Belt pulley" is commonly used to refer to the entire belt pulley drive unit.
However, in the September thread the very first reference to a belt pulley was:
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you got to take the belt Pulley housing off,

People type all those words in because they mean something. The readers should read them all to get the message.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:08 am    Post subject: Re: remove SW4 starter - again ! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hopefully by then all the grouches will still be asleep
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 4:47 pm    Post subject: Re: remove SW4 starter - again ! Reply to specific post Reply with quote

evrything rustred said is correct about the gearbox. I just replied to the other thread. I haven't been on here for a while and had to take one off so I tried the " other way" which I knew would not work but I don't come on here to pi$$ ppl off
https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1585225
I suggest putting clothes pins on the 2 long bolts that won't come out so they are clear for the r&r ( the 2 bolts towards the front)

This post was edited by mccormicksw4 on 11/25/2022 at 04:48 pm.

 
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