CMS Manure applicator license?

[Tree-Farmer]

Can someone school me on this?

I want to buy 60 tons of chicken manure from Farm Nutrients in Iowa to fertilize ahead of corn this spring. They basically said that's a small amount, so their trucking companies wouldn't want to transport it. They said I could hire my own trucker to haul it.

Then they said that this person would have to have a CMS, Commercial Manure Applicator license to haul or, or specifically: To pick it up at their facility. Said they wouldn't let a truck driver have it, without this license.

However, I'm in Missouri and I don't think there is such a CDL type license in Missouri. Each state makes up their own rules, for some things.

Do you know how this would work? Is there an equivalent to a CMS license in Missouri? Or does that mean that I would have to hire a trucking company in Iowa to haul manure for me?

Does it matter that the trucker wouldn't be actually applying the manure, he would just be dumping it in my field?

For something like this, normally I might just call around, asking trucking companies if they'd be willing to haul and let them choose to be concerned about the legalities or not. But the Farm Nutrients sales person made a point of telling me this, so I assume that's their rules.

https://www.extension.iastate.edu/immag/commercial-manure-applicators

Thanks for any advice!

This post was edited by Tree-Farmer on 02/09/2023 at 06:09 pm.

 

[chuck machinist]

Type certified applicators and operators- Missouri dept of agriculture. Its all about the revenue stream.CM
 

[Tree-Farmer]

Thank you, but that looks to me like that Missouri certification is all about pesticides.
I have to assume that a pesticide applicator is different than a Manure applicator, that the rules are different, that the certification is different.

https://agriculture.mo.gov/plants/pesticides/commnonpub.php

Unless you know something more?
 

[caterpillar guy]

That makes as much sense as having to be certified to deliver fertilizer to the farm and dump n a pile for the farmer to spread with his own spreader. OR the guys that haul lime and drop in the field so it can be spread. I can't speak for out there. Here in MI you can hire lime fertilizer,or chicken manure, hauled and dropped where you want it and spread your self. I've had both lime and fertilizer dropped in a pile then spread myself in the past.
 

[showcrop]

Search for custom manure applicators. They have the trucks and are certified. One of them is Vantilburg farms. Matt Vantilburg 8398 Celina Mendon Road Celina, OH 45822 419-586-3077.
 

[DRussell]

I'm thinking you'll get a lot more responses if you post this on Tractor talk rather than the tractor transporting page. A lot more people there.
 

[showcrop]

[ss55]

Have you checked with any sellers in your own state? The regulations might be very different in different states. It seems unlikely that trucking firms in MO will have many drivers certified to IA regulations.
 

[Jim.ME]

The CMS license is not a CDL license or endorsement. It is an Iowa Department of Natural Resources certification/license related to manure handling in that state.

From a web search it appears the Iowa CMS certification (Commercial Manure Applicator Certification) is a requirement of the Iowa Department of Natural Resources. It is likely the place you want to buy manure from is going to protect themselves from violations of the Iowa DNR standards by requiring the certification for anyone getting material from their plant. If that is the case, you will need someone with the Iowa CMS to transport product for you.

You could check with your home state's Department of Agriculture (or their equivalent department) to see what they say about this. They may have had the same question from others in the past. There may be some reciprocal agreement. Of course, you might find Missouri has requirements you need to comply with for storage of that 60 tons you have delivered.

https://www.iowadnr.gov/Portals/idnr/uploads/afo/fs_commmac.pdf
 

[J.Wondergem]

That don't sound like a whole lot of hassle to get, but a trucker or trucking company will probably charge more for it.
 

[ss55]

Is there a directory of hauling companies with an Iowa CMS license?
 

[the tractor vet]

This whole trucking thing has gotten out of hand . Today ya need a hazmat endorsement to haul shingles also to haul alloys . Good grief . every since the great CDL everybody wants a piece of the action and to stay up on this ya need to be a New York city lawyer. For year i drug a coal bucket around and if it fit it shipped . We hauled alloys coal , sand , gravel , slag Now that stuff is a hazmat load , alloys are haz mat not sure on lime as Burnt lime can be some pretty nasty stuff if it gets wet Aluim Dross and bag dust yup that is some nasty stuff , ca't tell ya how many 25 ton loads of ammonium nitrate we haluled even some low level nukular waist till i asked the question about my truck becoming contaminated and the guy said ya know that hole you dumped in , well the truck and trailer would go in with it. Ah yea NO we not hauling that stuff no more . When it came time that i was forced into getting the CDL just to drive my one ton and gooseneck i was asked at the time of taking the test if i wanted the hazmat along with the double and triples endorsement and i declined , i kept air brakes and combo . But it is pretty sad ya can't even haul a load of chicken POOOO . Like here if you got to pick up you chemicals after a certain amount you are SUPPOSE to give notice to all fire dept's in your route of travel . Don't get caught with your oxy. an acct. tanklayen down in the bed of a pick up or in the truck of your car , Bad boy . , can't haull more then 110 gal of diesel fuel for get the amount of gas but not enough to fill 706 gas . i don't know how many years i had two 55 gallon drums of gas in the bed of my pick up for the tractor and combine . or for the 1973 F 250 4x4 with that 19 gallon gas tank behind the seat that while snow plowing 19 gallon did not go far back during the socalled gas shortage days and i had five gallon cans lined up across the ft. of the bed to get thru the night .
 

[ss55]

How did things work out?