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bob farrell
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:38 am    Post subject: New Propane Tank and Piping Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have decided to put in a propane tank. Will be able to plumb tank service supply line(s) to four exterior walls (no interior piping)of existing building. I have never had propane before so I really don't know anything about selecting a tank (new or used, size), selecting a supplier, any contracts, purchasing fuel, etc
The four entry lines would be one each for three vent-free heaters and one for a kitchen cook stove.

Would appreciate any thoughts any of you have that might keep me from screwing up. I'm located in central Oklahoma. Thanks ! bob f.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:31 am    Post subject: Re: New Propane Tank and Piping Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Rules and regulations vary. I would recomend checking with a Propane supplier in your area.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:57 am    Post subject: Re: New Propane Tank and Piping Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You had better check with your local supplier that's been mentioned. There's probably a plumbing code that's needs to be followed. You don't want any gas leakage. Hal
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:33 pm    Post subject: Re: New Propane Tank and Piping Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If you don't know much about it get a pro to do the work. It is your life and your family's life. Propane is heavier than air.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:54 pm    Post subject: vent free LP heaters smell Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Had a catalyst LP vent free heater in my bathroom. Smelled and you could take a bath without the tub. Gave it to an ice fishing friend for a shanty
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:26 pm    Post subject: Re: New Propane Tank and Piping Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I don't know how your gas suppliers work - but here in New York most will only install a tank big enough so you need a fill at least every three months and they adjust the price-per-gallon rate by your average useage. I opted to buy my own 1000 gallon tank instead. This way I only call for a fill when it's near empty and I always get the best bulk rate.
Most suppliers will inspect your hookup before a first fill, so you'd better ask them what they require. Some won't fill a house if you have any pilot lights in stoves or ovens. Ask first.
You have to calculate pipe-size by maximum BTU rating of each heater. Usually, any pipe entry through a wall requires steel pipe, and a water-trap-tee and shut off at every appliance. Another thing to consider is the distance of the bulk-tank to the house. Often, you need a high-pressure regulator at the tank, high-pressure line to the house, and then a second drop-down regulator from there on to your lines going into the walls.
In regard to unvented propane heaters, I've got several and none create any odor at all. All mine are the Procom "Blue Flame" heaters.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:09 pm    Post subject: Re: New Propane Tank and Piping Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Look into using a 10 PSI, red regulator, at the tank and a 11 inch water column regulator, light green, at each of the 4 service points. You can save money on the piping and have a more stabil pressure at your appliances. That said you LP supplier along with local reg will have the last word.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: New Propane Tank and Piping Reply to specific post Reply with quote

As most said below, there are local codes. Are also differences in burners too. Best thing to do, talk to your supplier...they get paid to know, and generally do know. Don't make any mistakes and accidentally do it wrong and blow yourself or family up.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:08 am    Post subject: Re: New Propane Tank and Piping Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Most suppliers these days won't sell you anything so you can do it yourself due to liabilty.

Vent free heaters will put alot of moisture into the air so be forwarned if you have anything like tools or guns in there.

They will also smell but you won't notice it after a short time as you get used to it.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:43 am    Post subject: Re: New Propane Tank and Piping Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I've never encountered a supplier that refused to sell black iron pipe,pipe fittings, tubing, flare fittings, shutoff valves, LP regulators etc. to anyone. Only propane item I had trouble buying was a new 1000 gallon tank - but I finally found two local places that order them in for anyone. Why kind of store you refuses to sell to you?

There are hundreds of websites that provide plans, flow calculators, and all the parts needed. And, then there the thousands of plumbing supply places as well as chain stores, tractor supply stores, etc. all over the country. I've never heard of one that refused to sell to someone.

In regard to odor and/or moisture? The open flame units make a little but the infrafed heaters hardly have any at all. We have several heaters and none get used a lot - it's always intermittent. We heat most of the time with wood and the gas heaters are only used on days where we only need a little heat and it's not worth firing up the wood-furnace. Also used to spot-heat some rooms that usually are not heated. So, at least here - it's not a case of getting used to it. In our kitchen, we have a stove and oven with pilot lights burning all the time - and the heater makes no more smell than the stove - with is very little. We've even got one in a small bathroom - 6 X 7 feet and a 6000 BTU infrared propane unvented heater - and there's no perceptible smell from it.
As far as moisture goes - I guess it depends on your house. Many people in my area already have humidfiers added to their heat systems because the air gets too dry in the winter in a heated house - especially if they have any sort of hot-air heat system. So, any extra moisture from anywhere is welcome.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: New Propane Tank and Piping Reply to specific post Reply with quote

This is very far down on the saftey list but bear in mind if your tank does explode, the end of the tank is the part that lets loose and is the projectile.

My memory is not to good, but a dozen years or so ago in I think western Iowa a very large one exploded. I think the fire martial had determined that they had downsized the slam valves plumbing to lead it away from the area. This in return restrickted the valve. This is not something that would be used in most tanks. I do remember seing the pictures and no one could belive the power that was stored up.

Propane is probably as safe as any fuel if respected.

Respecting is what I would consider having a professional do the job, maybe you helping with the dunb dumb tasks to save on labor costs. Maybe giving you a weekend to drill holes, bury lines etc. A good propane guy (like Hank Hill) will welcome your help, if not maybe check with another one. He will probably have to check on everything for liability sake.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: New Propane Tank and Piping Reply to specific post Reply with quote

was at a poultry house Killed one fireman I think and burned another. Biggest fear of propane is heavier than air and will gleak to basement etc. In our town new construction you can,put in propane in basement. older houses you canreplace with propane unit.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:29 am    Post subject: Re: New Propane Tank and Piping Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'm a propane service tech for a gas company in norhtern MN and I would suggest that you look up pamhlet 58 for outside rules and regulations as far as hookups, clearances, proper piping ect..
And pamphlet 54 is for inside. These are the federal quide lines for proper installation. If that seems overwhelming then hire somebody to install your system. I would call around to your local gas companys and see what it would cost to buy your own tank and proper supplies or rent there tank and they hook it up. If you buy a tank make sure it is purged before first fill up. I can't speek for your local companys but with ours I would sell you a tank and all parts needed to hookup your system, Then you would have to purge it or pay me to do it. Then I would do a proper leak check $150 for that. Charge you to fix any leaks and replum anything that isn't up to code (pamphlet 58,54). On the other hand Our company will give you a tank, 1st stage reg. and the first 25' of copper or platic pipe and fittings at no charge. We do leak check for free and 1 per year for free after that. As for gas prices we charge the same whether its going in you tank or ours. (Unless you buy a 12,000 gal tank. I would give you a heck of a price if I could deliver to you with our tansports. LOL) I hope this helps with your decision I'm not trying to sway you either way just trying to help...
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:25 am    Post subject: Re: New Propane Tank and Piping Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Around my area in Ohio everyone charges more for gas ( atleast $ .10 gal. )if in their "free" tank. Then if you don't use a certain amout then a tank rent fee kicks in too.
 
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