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Vintage Smoke New User
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:17 pm Post subject: Some help please with a Perkins engine. |
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Thanks for adding me to the forum! I am working on a bit of an odd application. It's a Perkins 4cyl diesel engine in a 1972 Land Rover. I know absolutely nothing of the history of the vehicle, the engine, or the engine swap although I am quickly learning a bit about the Perkins diesels.
The oil pan on the engine has been hacked up...cut, welded, re-cut, and re-welded, until the mounting flange is warped beyond use. I can only assume it was cut up and pieced back together for clearance or sump location at some point to fit into something. I am trying to find a replacement oil pan.
I have been researching Perkins engines for a few hours now and I am getting a bit overwhelmed with just how many different engines and applications are out there. In starting my research I took numbers off of everything I could find from the cylinder head, valve cover, cover on the right side of the block, bottom of the oil pan, even off of the crankshaft webs and bearing caps. I got numbers off of everything except the ONE I needed....the serial number off of the block.
I do have a bunch of pictures and I was hoping one of you guys might point me in the right direction as to identifying which engine it is, possibly what it came out of, and where I might get an oil pan. The pan is not completely flat all the way around as most I have found pics of on line. It has a flat rail on either side and a "U" shaped cut out at the front and back to fit in the slots on the bearing caps/engine block.
Here's a pic of the engine:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/4jOc767.jpg?1[/img] |
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Vintage Smoke New User
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. |
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I don't think the picture worked. Here is a link:
https://imgur.com/4jOc767 |
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Vintage Smoke New User
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. |
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Maybe this...
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Vintage Smoke New User
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. |
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onefarmer Tractor Guru
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. |
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Here's the pic. I can't help much more.
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Dieseltech Tractor Guru
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. |
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It's one of the indirect injected Perkins, most likely the A4.192, 3.5 inch bore or the larger A4.203, 3.6 inch bore, both have a five inch stroke. If you can post the injection pump 324 number, I'll see if I can find which engine it is by the pump ID. |
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mite-help Long Time User
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. |
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worked on a willys jeep once that had an engine that looked like that, & was factory option---it was 192 c.i.--62 hp.perkins, IIRC |
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RayP(MI) Tractor Guru
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. |
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Sure doesn't look much like the one in my MasseyFerguson 180. |
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Dieseltech Tractor Guru
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. |
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That's because this Perkins is smaller than the AD4.236 direct injected engine the 175-180 used. |
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olgentdc Tractor Guru
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. |
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tell me more ??I have a j 200 1964 willys Kaiser with the tornado , motor , (Pontiac Tempest )i am told ??? ..i have a 300 MFcombine with a 4 cyl Perkins Diesel Engine ,,. I wonder if They are compatable to the 3 speed hi lo transmission ?? |
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ptfarmer Tractor Guru
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. |
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CVPost-mite-help wrote: | (quoted from post at 17:28:24 01/02/1 worked on a willys jeep once that had an engine that looked like that, & was factory option---it was 192 c.i.--62 hp.perkins, IIRC |
The Perkins 4.192 was available in Jeeps from 1961-1968, could be where that engine in the Land Rover came out of. |
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ptfarmer Tractor Guru
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. |
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CVPost-olgentdc wrote: | (quoted from post at 21:05:17 01/02/1 tell me more ??I have a j 200 1964 willys Kaiser with the tornado , motor , (Pontiac Tempest )i am told ??? ..i have a 300 MFcombine with a 4 cyl Perkins Diesel Engine ,,. I wonder if They are compatable to the 3 speed hi lo transmission ?? |
It's not a Pontiac engine http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2012/06/classic-engine-jeeps-tornado-straight-six.html |
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jamstra Regular
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:43 am Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. |
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I'm thinking it might well be a 4.203 -
quite a common transplant here in the UK.
Did it myself about 30 years ago - makes a
great towing vehicle! Fits a 1970's Land
Rover with a commercially available (way
back in the day) bell housing adapter. I
recognise the exhaust manifold as being the
same as on mine. Common 'donor' vehicle was
a Commer van. Good luck! |
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jamstra Regular
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:12 am Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. |
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Does this look like it?
4.203 in Landrover
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Sprint 6 Long Time User
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:30 am Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. |
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The Pontiac OHC 6 uses a rubber timing belt. The Tornado used a timing chain. |
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