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John Deere 336 Square Baler - Needles Not Retracting

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:26 am    Post subject: Re: John Deere 336 Square Baler - Needles Not Retracting Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Tx Jim, I just went and looked at a 336 that is waiting to be fixed here. Needle brake is indeed on the left side. Also a 338 that is here.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:12 pm    Post subject: Re: John Deere 336 Square Baler - Needles Not Retracting Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Thanks for correcting my mistake!!!!!! Dang ""oldtimers"" was kicking in.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:19 pm    Post subject: Re: John Deere 336 Square Baler - Needles Not Retracting Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks, fellers! I'm on vacation right now, but when I get back, I'll take a look!
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: John Deere 336 Square Baler - Needles Not Retracting Reply to specific post Reply with quote

UPDATE

Got the brake adjusted according to specs. Baled about 60 bales--perfection! At number 61 or so, the thing started back up. Exactly as some have said: needles would fully retract, then fairly quickly "weep" down, and then BANG, BANG, BANG! Dad stopped the baler, got off the tractor, adjusted the brake a bit tighter, then we kept baling. Seemed to fix the issue. About 20 bales later: BANG, BANG, BANG!

This process repeated itself for the remainder of the 200 bales we put up. Would bale about 20 or 30 bales, and it would start knocking again.

Dad noticed a lot of rust on the "rotor" of the brake assembly--could that be culprit? Reckon the adjusting bolts are working themselves loose? Is it time to replace the braking unit, or is there another "trick" up our sleeves we can try?

Weather looks conducive to baling this weekend, so I hope to be "back on the road" by Saturday or so.

Fingers crossed.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:37 am    Post subject: Re: John Deere 336 Square Baler - Needles Not Retracting Reply to specific post Reply with quote


I don't remember witnessing brake pad adjusting nuts backing off but it wouldn't be too difficult to install new 3/8 locking nuts.

Inspect lever(key 12) to be sure each end isn't getting farther apart
IE spreading from needle frame contacting lever every time a bale is tied. I've seen the lever bent far enough to bind on bolt/bushing enough to keep lever from moving.

 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:20 am    Post subject: Re: John Deere 336 Square Baler - Needles Not Retracting Reply to specific post Reply with quote

radara4077 wrote:
(quoted from post at 04:29:57 07/26/1Cool UPDATE

Got the brake adjusted according to specs. Baled about 60 bales--perfection! At number 61 or so, the thing started back up. Exactly as some have said: needles would fully retract, then fairly quickly "weep" down, and then BANG, BANG, BANG! Dad stopped the baler, got off the tractor, adjusted the brake a bit tighter, then we kept baling. Seemed to fix the issue. About 20 bales later: BANG, BANG, BANG!

This process repeated itself for the remainder of the 200 bales we put up. Would bale about 20 or 30 bales, and it would start knocking again.

Dad noticed a lot of rust on the "rotor" of the brake assembly--could that be culprit? Reckon the adjusting bolts are working themselves loose? Is it time to replace the braking unit, or is there another "trick" up our sleeves we can try?

Weather looks conducive to baling this weekend, so I hope to be "back on the road" by Saturday or so.

Fingers crossed.
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As TX Jim stated check the linkage for the safety stop.



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: John Deere 336 Square Baler - Needles Not Retracting Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Tx Jim wrote:
(quoted from post at 07:37:12 07/26/1Cool
I don't remember witnessing brake pad adjusting nuts backing off but it wouldn't be too difficult to install new 3/8 locking nuts.

Inspect lever(key 12) to be sure each end isn't getting farther apart
IE spreading from needle frame contacting lever every time a bale is tied. I've seen the lever bent far enough to bind on bolt/bushing enough to keep lever from moving.


The lever appears to be fine, although I'm not certain exactly what you mean. It doesn't seem bent, and I saw it move freely when the needles would cycle (from my vantage point on the wagon behind the baler).

Dad confirms the nuts aren't backing off. Could the pad(s) be worn out? Apparently this baler hasn't made many bales, though. My grandfather bought it in the 80s (I think), but then shortly thereafter, the family bought a round roller, and square baling stopped.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:16 am    Post subject: Re: John Deere 336 Square Baler - Needles Not Retracting Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Yes brake pads can require replacement from wear or glaze or grease. Check to be sure roll pin(key 18) isn't missing. If safety dog is operating correctly then arm is probably not stretched out.


 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:20 pm    Post subject: Re: John Deere 336 Square Baler - Needles Not Retracting Reply to specific post Reply with quote

UPDATE

Replaced the pads--the old ones looked pretty rough (see pic below):



Those new suckers were over $100 for the pair from Mother Deere. My wife graciously drove to two dealerships an hour apart to rush these to us late yesterday afternoon. Got the new pads installed, and put them to the test today:



The baler never missed a lick!

Thanks to everyone on here who helped us get our hay in the dry today!
 
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