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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:27 am    Post subject: Re: Detroit in a 4020 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The old hay cuber is beyond repair.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: Detroit in a 4020 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Remember "If it cast a shadow it can be restored" .....
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:53 am    Post subject: Re: Detroit in a 4020 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Here's a head. 608-617-055-nine. Montello WI. Craig's List. Paul

 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Detroit in a 4020 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Glen D Anderson wrote:
(quoted from post at 05:51:33 10/06/1Cool A little off-topic but since we are in day dream mode I think it would be interesting if someone either adapted common rail injection to an old piece of iron or transplanted a complete common rail engine.

Similar concept to what that fella did with his compound turbo 720......

Not at all practical but if money were no object, why not? LOL


Glen,
Transplanting a complete Waterloo Deere common rail engine into another Waterloo tractor would be fairly easy if you take a 'pre-emission' engine, and you do not choose a power setting that oblige to have a big air to air cooler.
The wiring harness that needs to connect to the engine is very simple. More or less, you only need to provide to the ECU to start:
- +
- -
- key on signal
- throttle signal (basic variable resistor connected to current lnkage)
- Starter on signal

Then on top you have gages and other stuff in the ECU that are not totally required to have on your tractor (I mean, the ECU needs to know the temp so you need the temp gage connected to the ECU , but you can put a regular mecanical temp gage on your tractor).

Please look at See wiring diagram p130. - It is much simpler that many people think.

I have always tought that a 8.1 (496) out of a 7710 or 7810 would be an awesome repower option for a 45-4620, or to repower a gutless 8430/8450. That would be a torque monster then. Let's wait few more years and those would be cheap engines...
Some newer engines are missing threaded holes on the frame rear mounting pad. The 12.5 to 13.5L have issues with the oil filter interfering with the frame.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Detroit in a 4020 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Agreed.

Preferably a common rail powerplant that is pre DPF / DEF. EGR delete if needed.

Minimalistic to keep things neat & tidy.

Power settings best kept below the requirement for a large intercooler or there'll likely be drivetrain pieces that try to escape anyway....... LOL




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Glen,
Transplanting a complete Waterloo Deere common rail engine into another Waterloo tractor would be fairly easy if you take a 'pre-emission' engine, and you do not choose a power setting that oblige to have a big air to air cooler.
The wiring harness that needs to connect to the engine is very simple. More or less, you only need to provide to the ECU to start:
- +
- -
- key on signal
- throttle signal (basic variable resistor connected to current lnkage)
- Starter on signal

Then on top you have gages and other stuff in the ECU that are not totally required to have on your tractor (I mean, the ECU needs to know the temp so you need the temp gage connected to the ECU , but you can put a regular mecanical temp gage on your tractor).

Please look at See wiring diagram p130. - It is much simpler that many people think.

I have always tought that a 8.1 (496) out of a 7710 or 7810 would be an awesome repower option for a 45-4620, or to repower a gutless 8430/8450. That would be a torque monster then. Let's wait few more years and those would be cheap engines...
Some newer engines are missing threaded holes on the frame rear mounting pad. The 12.5 to 13.5L have issues with the oil filter interfering with the frame.

 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Detroit in a 4020 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

There is a farmer in Southwest Indiana that has put a 12V71 and a 16V71 in a pair of Deere 5020's
 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:23 am    Post subject: Re: Detroit in a 4020 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That would be quite a sight.........& sound! LOL

CVPost-gold-leaf-deere wrote:
(quoted from post at 18:30:28 10/07/1Cool There is a farmer in Southwest Indiana that has put a 12V71 and a 16V71 in a pair of Deere 5020's

 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:49 am    Post subject: Re: Detroit in a 4020 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

fdt860 wrote:
(quoted from post at 16:52:51 10/07/1Cool
Glen D Anderson wrote:
(quoted from post at 05:51:33 10/06/1Cool A little off-topic but since we are in day dream mode I think it would be interesting if someone either adapted common rail injection to an old piece of iron or transplanted a complete common rail engine.

Similar concept to what that fella did with his compound turbo 720......

Not at all practical but if money were no object, why not? LOL


Glen,
Transplanting a complete Waterloo Deere common rail engine into another Waterloo tractor would be fairly easy if you take a 'pre-emission' engine, and you do not choose a power setting that oblige to have a big air to air cooler.
The wiring harness that needs to connect to the engine is very simple. More or less, you only need to provide to the ECU to start:
- +
- -
- key on signal
- throttle signal (basic variable resistor connected to current lnkage)
- Starter on signal

Then on top you have gages and other stuff in the ECU that are not totally required to have on your tractor (I mean, the ECU needs to know the temp so you need the temp gage connected to the ECU , but you can put a regular mecanical temp gage on your tractor).

Please look at See wiring diagram p130. - It is much simpler that many people think.

I have always tought that a 8.1 (496) out of a 7710 or 7810 would be an awesome repower option for a 45-4620, or to repower a gutless 8430/8450. That would be a torque monster then. Let's wait few more years and those would be cheap engines...
Some newer engines are missing threaded holes on the frame rear mounting pad. The 12.5 to 13.5L have issues with the oil filter interfering with the frame.


Maybe the president will return Off Road emissions back to Tier II ?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:02 am    Post subject: Re: Detroit in a 4020 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Kinze sold conversion kits around 1970, those might be expensive to buy now. What is the budget, over $10,000 without the tractor or engine?
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Detroit in a 4020 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I got my laugh for today. I never heard that one before, it gets the point across.
 
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