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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Mulching or cutting field: will grass rot before next se Reply to specific post Reply with quote

One thing worth mentioning, making hay and making good hay are two different things.
Any grass left from the year before is not good hay, it's just fiber. There's no real nutritional value to dead, long dormant grass.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Mulching or cutting field: will grass rot before next se Reply to specific post Reply with quote

MJMJ wrote:
(quoted from post at 13:12:32 11/07/1Cool One thing worth mentioning, making hay and making good hay are two different things.
Any grass left from the year before is not good hay, it's just fiber. There's no real nutritional value to dead, long dormant grass.


Absolutely. There's very little protein in it. And probably very little energy. But it's mixed, in a normal year following fallow, with decent grass, which mitigates the problem.

This year though...…...it's a different ballgame.

We're supplementing this year. Haven't tested this stuff, but I'm staying with roughly 2#/head 20% cubes. We were feeding this rate on some 2yr old hay I swapped for work on some doods tractor. Calves are on creep.

I think we're in the ballpark.

I have a few head that don't come in to cube. I cube in a pen to keep them off me when putting bales out normally. This year it's daily supplement.

Anyways, the ones that don't cube, just taking hay...…(yeah, I followed her around for a bit, here at Uranus, we keep our noses to the ground)





And the ones that do cube....



Pretty dry manure, with quite a bit of undigested hay in the non cubing animals. Good soft manure coming from the ones that will cube, and very little fibrous material in there.

Ain't scientific mind ya, but it's an indicator I've seen over the years. Best stuff comes outta them when they're on Haygrazer. The Motherload so to speak Wink Gonna start mixing in a few bales of Haygrazer so the timid ones get a shot at some decent hay.

Same with the coyotes. See a lot of fur, and small bones, and they be eatin' good. See half digested persimmons in there, and they're not doin' so great. Have to keep an eye on your dog when you see persimmons.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Mulching or cutting field: will grass rot before next se Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Calves sure grow in the fall on that yellow grass
every time you ride through em you can see how
much they?ve grown . I?ve put up a lot of hay like in
your pictures
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:45 am    Post subject: Re: Mulching or cutting field: will grass rot before next se Reply to specific post Reply with quote

In my area in Virginia cut grass will usually totally rot because we have a lot of wet weather in the Winter and rising and falling temperatures which helps it rot.Also the quicker you cut the grass and the greener it is the quicker it will decay,let it dry out and it'll take longer to rot.I've cut hay this time of year I couldn't graze and fed it right back to cattle as soon as it was baled and it worked good as far as I could see.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Mulching or cutting field: will grass rot before next se Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I would not waste the money mulching it this year.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Mulching or cutting field: will grass rot before next se Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Slightly OT but I thank you Mr. Pig for the posting and I thank the responders for their responses.

I am trying to get a couple of fields to re-seed naturally which means leaving crop growing till first frost to be combined with the spring crop for spring
bales. I was straddling a fence on what to do that works along with getting my reseeding accomplished and you answered that question.

Mark
 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:16 am    Post subject: Re: Mulching or cutting field: will grass rot before next se Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It was cold enough for long enough that the ground allowed the tractor to be driven over the field without sinking in.
Weather was nice, and I was keen.

Took the mulcher out and did one of the paddocks (~9 acres).




 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:33 am    Post subject: Re: Mulching or cutting field: will grass rot before next se Reply to specific post Reply with quote

In Northern Iowa if your mulching/mowing it this late would just screw up next years hay. We are cold enough it will not rot by spring. So when you would go back to mow it with a sickle bar mower the dead stuff that, you mowed, off and clumped up with the bushog, will plug the guards the next spring. Then if you rake very low to the ground you will pickup the dead grass and mix it in the "new" hay. IF your feeding it you will have much more waste as most cows will not eat the dead grass. They will pull out good and dead mix, by doing this they will drop more of the good hay. If your selling the hay you will have more tons/bales but they will be lower quality/lower price.

If your going to mow the old stand off the earlier the better. Hopefully it will rot enough to not cause you issues.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:41 am    Post subject: Re: Mulching or cutting field: will grass rot before next se Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-JD Seller wrote:
(quoted from post at 09:33:52 12/23/1Cool

If your going to mow the old stand off the earlier the better. Hopefully it will rot enough to not cause you issues.



Interesting, and thanks for info.
I was on the fence whether or not to bother with mowing/mulching, hence the thread.
In the end I was simply annoyed every time I walked the field and looked at it, and got so fed up, I had to do "something"! Smile

We will likely NOT be able to get any hay cut until late, late June or early July around these parts. So I am hoping the mulched stuff will truly have rotted away by then.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:51 am    Post subject: Re: Mulching or cutting field: will grass rot before next se Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Chopped residue will always rot faster than "Cycle-Bar" cuttings will..

Maybe you can rake it and burn it in the spring..?
 
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