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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Tractor ford 1310 was running stalled out now wont start Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Is the fuel shutoff working?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Tractor ford 1310 was running stalled out now wont start Reply to specific post Reply with quote

motoOzarks wrote:
(quoted from post at 14:48:16 12/24/1Cool Is the fuel shutoff working?


Yes it is, it has good flow when open
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:52 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor ford 1310 was running stalled out now wont start Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Charlie moore wrote:
(quoted from post at 22:44:28 12/24/1Cool
motoOzarks wrote:
(quoted from post at 14:48:16 12/24/1Cool Is the fuel shutoff working?


Yes it is, it has good flow when open


It appears from what you are saying that you have a good amount of fuel shooting out of your injectors. A Diesel engine needs only fuel and compression with correct timing to run, some need an assist from some heat to start. You haven't posted yet about your glow plugs. You could try preheating your air intake with a propane torch. Have you rotated your injection pump during this process. This would throw the timing off. As Bob said the condition of your old injectors would caused most likely by a bad overheat condition which could also cause piston rings to stick causing a loss of compression.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor ford 1310 was running stalled out now wont start Reply to specific post Reply with quote

showcrop wrote:
(quoted from post at 05:52:21 12/25/1Cool
Charlie moore wrote:
(quoted from post at 22:44:28 12/24/1Cool
motoOzarks wrote:
(quoted from post at 14:48:16 12/24/1Cool Is the fuel shutoff working?


Yes it is, it has good flow when open


It appears from what you are saying that you have a good amount of fuel shooting out of your injectors. A Diesel engine needs only fuel and compression with correct timing to run, some need an assist from some heat to start. You haven't posted yet about your glow plugs. You could try preheating your air intake with a propane torch. Have you rotated your injection pump during this process. This would throw the timing off. As Bob said the condition of your old injectors would caused most likely by a bad overheat condition which could also cause piston rings to stick causing a loss of compression.

I have touched the injector pump yet. I'm on my way out now to check the glow plugs. There seams to be plenty of compression, but I havnt tested that yet either. I don't have the proper compression tester
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:53 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor ford 1310 was running stalled out now wont start Reply to specific post Reply with quote

showcrop wrote:
(quoted from post at 05:52:21 12/25/1Cool
Charlie moore wrote:
(quoted from post at 22:44:28 12/24/1Cool
motoOzarks wrote:
(quoted from post at 14:48:16 12/24/1Cool Is the fuel shutoff working?


Yes it is, it has good flow when open


It appears from what you are saying that you have a good amount of fuel shooting out of your injectors. A Diesel engine needs only fuel and compression with correct timing to run, some need an assist from some heat to start. You haven't posted yet about your glow plugs. You could try preheating your air intake with a propane torch. Have you rotated your injection pump during this process. This would throw the timing off. As Bob said the condition of your old injectors would caused most likely by a bad overheat condition which could also cause piston rings to stick causing a loss of compression.

Glow plugs are working when I hook up to battery charger. When I had them off I turned over motor and nice mist blew out of the holes. I couldn't hold my finger over the hole with out it getting pushed off. Seams like it's right there and wants to start but can't catch
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor ford 1310 was running stalled out now wont start Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Just took them out and hooked up the charger, working well.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Tractor ford 1310 was running stalled out now wont start Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I did just what you said. Also had enough pressure to force my finger off the glowplug hole. Wants to catch, but doesnt.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Tractor ford 1310 was running stalled out now wont start Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You mentioned charger, reminded me. Cranking speed is critical on small diesels. Just won't start until cranking fast enough to create enough heat to light it off.

Long way of asking, is there any chance you've partially drained the battery with all the bleeding and such?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Tractor ford 1310 was running stalled out now wont start Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-kencombs wrote:
(quoted from post at 15:40:40 12/26/1Cool You mentioned charger, reminded me. Cranking speed is critical on small diesels. Just won't start until cranking fast enough to create enough heat to light it off.

Long way of asking, is there any chance you've partially drained the battery with all the bleeding and such?


It is actually compression not heat that the RPMs are needed for. But it does need enough speed to make adequate compression. It will crank all day at just under the required rate without firing.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Tractor ford 1310 was running stalled out now wont start Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The compression builds heat that ignites the fuel. At slow speeds there is not enough created and a lot of it is lost into the block, head and airflow through the engine.
Just like the head of your air compressor. Compressing a gas (air) creates heat.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:39 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor ford 1310 was running stalled out now wont start Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-kencombs wrote:
(quoted from post at 15:40:40 12/26/1Cool You mentioned charger, reminded me. Cranking speed is critical on small diesels. Just won't start until cranking fast enough to create enough heat to light it off.

Long way of asking, is there any chance you've partially drained the battery with all the bleeding and such?

I'm sure I did, so I have it hooked up to my truck. Its spinning pretty good. Just short of running speed.
 
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