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Tim in New York
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:39 am    Post subject: GVWR vs GAWR? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I am looking to replace my old snowmobile trailer with a utility trailer with a drop down gate. It would be an added benefit if I could haul my Kubota B every once in a while. The trailers seem to have 3500 lb axles and weight about 1000 lbs. So my simple math says one could haul my tractor that weights 2500 lbs every once in a while.

But they are rated for 2990 lbs, I assume because they don't have brakes and 3K is the limit without brakes. I would be pulling with a full size pickup with double cab and 8' box, so I am not really worried about stopping with that much weight. But can the trailer handle it without doing damage?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:36 am    Post subject: Re: GVWR vs GAWR? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

GVWR is Gross vehicle weight rating. GAWR is gross axle weight rating. I am going to guess the rating on the trailers you are looking at have a lighter deck capacity than the axles limiting the weight carrying capability of the trailer. Another words the axles may carry the load but the deck will not.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:43 am    Post subject: Re: GVWR vs GAWR? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It depends on the terrain and your pickup: new, or old, 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton or 1 ton. Some older 1/2 ton pickup did not have great brakes when they were brand new. You already know the trailer is under sized to haul your tractor. How much extra would it cost to step up to the next heavier trailer rating with brakes? Probably less than another $1,000.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: GVWR vs GAWR? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The primary need is to haul the snowmobile - I don't want anything longer than 12' to do that. Eventually I hope to get a 18' tandem axle that would haul all my tractors. Being able to move the little one with this first trailer would be nice, but not necessary.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:03 am    Post subject: Re: GVWR vs GAWR? Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Depends on whether or not you own your own home.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:29 am    Post subject: Re: GVWR vs GAWR? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have a trailer similar to, if not exactly the same as, the one you are probably considering. Single 3500lb axle, 2990lb GVWR.

One time I loaned it to a neighbor to haul a new John Deere 1023e compact tractor with loader and backhoe home from the dealer. It was only a few miles and we both figured it would handle it. I went with him.

We figured that tractor had to weigh between 2500 and 3000lbs. It was sketchyyyyyyyy. You could see the side rails of the trailer had a distinct inward bow to them. We took it real slow and careful on the drive home, and got there in one piece, but agreed that was probably not a good idea.

After that we only ever hauled his backhoe on my 7 ton tandem axle deckover trailer. Since then he has purchased his own trailer, a 6 ton tandem axle lowboy. Overkill for the backhoe, sure, but he can haul pretty much anything he'll ever need to haul except his motorhome.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:23 pm    Post subject: Re: GVWR vs GAWR? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Another issue with the new trailer may be that the tires are not rated for any more than the trailer weight rating. What you are considering is exceeding the trailer rated capacity by approx 25 percent. I would definitely not want to be on public roads if you are exceeding the tire capacity by that much .
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:51 am    Post subject: Re: GVWR vs GAWR? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

My main concern is not whether you can pull it, but whether you can stop it if you had to. I would buy too much trailer. I bought a single axle PJ with a 4,999 lb. GVW to haul my 8N. The trailer is about 1,000 lbs. and the tractor over 2500. I'm well below my maximum. I've had one incident in 3 years where I had to hit my brakes hard and I was glad I had too much trailer.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: GVWR vs GAWR? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks - I am convinced. Will end up needing two trailers to get this done.

Tim
 
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