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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:08 pm    Post subject: Just acquired a project tractor - old Ford, not sure which Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Recently acquired old Ford tractor from estate, has not run since 2006, no paperwork, trying to determine what I have gotten myself into. Model D5017P, date code 0C18B. Any idea what this is and where to get a manual for it?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Just acquired a project tractor - old Ford, not sure whi Reply to specific post Reply with quote

got pics?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Just acquired a project tractor - old Ford, not sure whi Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Bruce(OR) wrote:
(quoted from post at 22:23:44 03/13/19) got pics?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: Just acquired a project tractor - old Ford, not sure whi Reply to specific post Reply with quote


D5017P
D = 4000 series
50 = industrial
1 = Diesel engine
7 = pto type ? No 7 on my list, recheck that one
P = transmission type ? No P on my list ether

0C18B build date = built March 18, 1970 on date shift

Looks like a 4500 industrial
Same front axle, grill shell and side vents as my 4500
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: Just acquired a project tractor - old Ford, not sure whi Reply to specific post Reply with quote

[quote="Destroked 450"](reply to post at 10:32:51
03/14/19) [/quote]

Thank you sir, that looks right, I thought it might be
a Dexta, but the front axle is much different. Am
thinking maybe it?s a 4550 based on the cab
structure. The info plate is painted over, so really
hard to see some of the characters. The 7 may
actually be a 1, and the P might actually be an F or
something else.

I am preparing the machine to start it up for the first
time in many years, let me know if any suggestions.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:25 am    Post subject: Re: Just acquired a project tractor - old Ford, not sure whi Reply to specific post Reply with quote


The model, serial and production date numbers are hand stamped on the top of the clutch housing just behind the starter.
However loader frames make it hard to see those numbers.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Just acquired a project tractor - old Ford, not sure whi Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks, I will look for those stampings and confirm.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Just acquired a project tractor - old Ford, not sure whi Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Looks like it could be a 4500 industrial.

 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: Just acquired a project tractor - old Ford, not sure whi Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Ok, so it turns out my new tractor is definitely a 1970 Ford 4500 industrial, diesel, no pto, 4 speed automatic. I drained almost a quart of water out of the crankcase, will change oil and filter as well. Just to see if the motor is frozen I attached a car battery, and although the starter engages, the engine would not budge. Is there a straightforward way to try to manually rotate the crankshaft so I can break it loose? Or do I need to take off the injectors and oil the cylinders? It seems like the alternator may be frozen too. Not sure about the power steering pump. But my first priority is to confirm that the pistons will move inside the cylinders. Any ideas?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Just acquired a project tractor - old Ford, not sure whi Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Since the engines stuck I'd get a small bore scope, pull the injectors out and look into the cylinders.
If they are very rusting you could also have some stuck rings, only way to fix that is tear it apart.

If not rusty pour a generous amount of your favorite penetrating oil in the cylinders and let it soak, then see if the engine will break lose.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Just acquired a project tractor - old Ford, not sure whi Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Makes sense, If I cannot free it up I will pull the injectors and have a look. I may try a stronger battery first, could be the car battery just was not strong enough. First I will loosen the alternator to eliminate that issue. Hope to get back to it this weekend.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:48 am    Post subject: Re: Just acquired a project tractor - old Ford, not sure whi Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Another thing to take loose is the hydraulic pump drive that's bolted to the front of the crank pulley.
Also loosen the transmission suction screen or drain plug "not sure which that trans has", and check for water, you don't want to be pumping water thru the trans oil circuit.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:10 am    Post subject: Re: Just acquired a project tractor - old Ford, not sure whi Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I took the head off and found rust on about 3 square inch area of cylinder 1 and in rusty goop in the piston well of cylinder 3. That explains homework it will not turn over. See pix. Cleaned it up with a rag, and now am soaking with pb blaster and marvel mystery oil. Any thoughts on best way to proceed?







 
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